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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Agent_Gabriel

Need tips on Ukranian Keyboard memorization

  1. What is your technique? Having difficulty memorizing it and would like to know some tips.

  2. What does it mean when it is in "beta"? What features will be improved?

This language is an uncharted water. But I'd like to learn it because I heard it is close to Russian.

June 10, 2015

14 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Luke_5.1991

The best tip is to use a phonetic keyboard, which is much easier to learn. Check out the Russian version if you have a Mac, and typing і, ї and є is no problem with some practice.

Being in beta means that a lot of the translation work on the back-end is still being improved, so don't expect total stability.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Agent_Gabriel

I installed a Ukranian keyboard on windows. I simply switch from EN to UK by pressing alt+shift. I printed out this one:

Not sure if this is the right one but so far, most of letters are.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vinnfred

You can try to write Cyrillic letters on your keyboard (if it's not black of course)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vinnfred

This is what actual keyboards look like here, in Ukraine: http://goo.gl/A8JnO2 :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Agent_Gabriel

Thanks. I will print this.

My keyboard is black, but I have a Gundam marker colored white.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MauriceReeves

That's the actual layout I downloaded for Windows, and I think I'm actually getting along pretty well with touch typing at this point. It feels like a big accomplishment to learn to touch type in a second language.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vinnfred

And it's not on the app while in Beta


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jgstcd

It's more complicated than that. The app versions typically come out while courses are still in beta. For Ukrainian it's possible that that won't happen, because the non-Latin alphabet means the app developers will have an unfamiliar set of problems to solve, but I'm just speculating about that; I don't have any inside information.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jgstcd

From experience I can say that the "phonetic" keyboard is much easier to learn than the standard Ukrainian or Russian layouts for someone accustomed to keyboard layouts for the Latin alphabet. There is, of course, nothing actually "phonetic" about it. I guess they just named it that because they had no idea what to call it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vinnfred

But there're letters that sound almost the same :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jgstcd

I guess that's the idea, but that explanation only makes sense if you start from the premise that the Latin keyboard layout (actually layouts, but I assume the US-English one is what they are starting from) is the natural one, so that keys are associated to the sounds of the letters in that layout. That seems like a horribly ethnocentric point of view. From a more objective point of view the "phonetic" layout is no more phonetic than the traditional Cyrillic one is.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vinnfred

But the only reason this layout exists, I guess, is to make life a little easier for those who are starting to get used to Cyrillic. We don't use that layout, all of our keyboards have both Latin and Cyrillic letters written on them


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/idshanks

Well, it's the natural one for someone who's accustomed to it. It's all relative. The term ‘phonetic layout’ easily conveys the idea that it seeks to map Cyrillic letters to roughly equivalent Latin letters based on their sounds. Ethnocentrism isn't really relevant; it's merely practical.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/idshanks

Can you touch-type? I think the absolute best thing to aid with the use of other writing systems on your keyboard would be to develop your touch-typing skills (which are of course intensively useful anyway in this day and age). If you know where the keys of the English language setup are without looking, it's not much of a stretch to adapt this for a new alphabet. This way, instead of thinking, ‘Well, I know I can find Щ on the O key’, you simply learn the motion required to produce Щ.

Try this method in combination with Letters lessons at the beginning of the Duolingo Ukrainian course (in order, so you can benefit from the fact that they introduce a limited number of letters at a time), and you'll find you quickly begin to map out the keyboard in your head (rather consciously at first, but eventually relegating it to muscle memory). It may take a few repeat runs of each lesson, but I suspect you'll find it very beneficial. It also saves you from having to resort to a phonetic layout or something like that which might then throw you completely should you ever use an authentic keyboard.

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