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"Ĉu vi trovis vian katon hieraŭ?"

Translation:Did you find your cat yesterday?

June 14, 2015



"Hieraŭ" comes from the French "hier" meaning "yesterday".


Also from Latin "Herī"


The h of hieraŭ doesn't sound like the usual h here, but almost like the ch of German ich or the h of British human. Is that common/correct/obligatory?


Sometimes people just kind of modificate the pronunciation of certain words. Listen to yourself speaking your own language & you will notice small fluctuations in various sounds. It's natural & not to be worried about.

If Hieraŭ was supposed to be pronounced with the German or Scottish H it would be spelled, Ĥieraŭ.


You're absolutely right on both counts. But you'll agree that this variety has to remain within bounds. Otherwise, a speaker becomes hard to understand, especially for listeners with a different linguistic background. This is true in any language, probably including Esperanto.


I very much agree.

I've heard that the two native languages which make it hardest to be understood in Esperanto are English and Norwegian. Guess what MY other language is?


Stakkars deg! ;)


I agree that natural sound drift will always occur, especially with people from diverse language backgrounds. However, the speaker should always make sure that the drift does not overlap too much with other "normal" sounds of other letters. If the overlap is too much, you are simply making the wrong sound at the end of the day (and consequently referring to another letter). Care should be taken, especially in a language like Esperanto where you have close sound pairs: e.g. s and sx, jx and gx, h and hx, etc.

In this case here the speaker is really pushing it in my opinion. He makes a sound somewhere between hx and h, but much closer to hx than to h. Since the word is hieraux and NOT hxieraux, I think this one deserves a rerecording to get it right.


Mi ne pridisputos tion.


I'm pretty sure it sort of has to do with anatomy of the mouth. If you try to pronounce an h with your mouth in a very articulated [i] position (English: "ee"), the distance between your tongue and your palate (the roof of your mouth) becomes so small that just by exhaling it creates turbulence, resulting in the consonant of the German "ich".

Or in layman's terms: it just naturally occurs for some speakers based on how high they hold their tongue when they pronounce the i. I'd say don't worry about it.

Also, this is actually a different sound from the ĥ (the voiceless velar fricative), which is pronounced with the back of the tongue at the soft palate, while the "ich" sound (the voiceless palatal fricative) is pronounced with the middle of the tongue at the hard palate.


Mi tre ŝatas lian voĉon!!!!


No, you can always pronounce h the same.


Is it OK to place the word "cxu" elsewhere in the sentence? I was asked to go from English to Esperanto for this sentence and my first thought was to say "Hieraux, cxu vi trovis ..." Is that still grammatical?


Ĉu essentially means "whether" so: Mi ne scias ĉu ŝi trovis ĝin is a perfectly reasonable statement. What you may try doing is asking yourself if the translation makes sense. Hieraŭ ĉu vi trovis… would actually translate into: yesterday whether you found… or yesterday, did you find… which are actually a bit clumsy.

Vi trovis vian katon hieraŭ, ĉu? however …


Agreed. But I understood that Starhowler was asking about direct questions with ĉu, so didn't even consider its use as whether in my answer.


I think it is not a mistake to put an adverb or adverbial phrase of time or place before ĉu. You definitely hear this in speech, but maybe a little less in writing.

I tried to back my answer up with an official grammar reference, but cannot find any examples.


Is it common for initial H's to be as exaggerated as the speaker is making them? I'm having trouble not softening it to near silence.


That seems to be a personal thing. The point is to be understood. Read the questions and comments at the top of the page.

The way that he's pronouncing the H in hieraŭ sounds as though it should be an Ĥ.

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