"What is this thing?"
Translation:Kio estas ĉi tiu afero?
Can't I say "Kio estas tiu afero?". Cxi tiu is close, obviously but the sentence in English does not necessarily carry the meaning of closeness, does it? (I'm not a native speaker).
Roughly, "ĉi tiu" means "this" and "tiu" means "that"; "this" is something called a "proximal demonstrative" and conveys closeness in the same way that adding ĉi in Esperanto does. However, closeness is a very imperfect way of describing what's going on here.
Which is why I thought that given imperfect circumstances (or none like in the isolated sentences typically used in DL) 'tiu afero' could be accepted.
I know I'm late to this discussion, but you guys are right on. Within the course, if the word is "this" then always include the "ĉi". However, in real life, when mentioning a single thing, it's not usually necessary - just as in English, both these sentences mean basically the same thing:
- What's this here on your wrist - a new watch?
- What's that there on your wrist - a new watch?
Closeness is an inaccurate term. But I can't think of a better one.
In English, you can think of it as "this here" or "that there" to help. That's what is meant by "closeness."
Is your primary language Spanish? If so, "ĉi tiu" is "esto" while "tiu" is "eso."
Okay, I'm a German native. Does anyone know good german equivalents for (ĉi) tiu/tio? :)
Have you tried a German-Esperanto dictionary? I have Krause and could check... Basically "tiu" is "diese" and "tio" is "das".
- Das ist eine Frau - TIo estas virino.
- Diese Frau ist gross - Tiu (cxi) virino estas alta.
I am not good in German, but I can try: ĉi tiu - dieser/diese/dieses tiu - jener/jene/jenes
Deixis is the word I've heard used for this phenomenon. And it is closely related to person if you think about it.
I think tio in Spanish can be both aquello and eso. In Spanish things are more complicated: it depends on the distance of the thing to the speaker AND the listener.
I have simplified the most I can, and put just "Kio estas tio" which was accepted!
However, I don't recommend for the beginners to do that, before they understand the basics of kiu/kio/ĉi... and other important things, and only when you understand the correlations between these things, you can experiment, simply because your know what you're doing.