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Question about Adjectives with Conjunctions

fallingknight
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Apologies if this or something similar has been posted previously. If I had two (or more) objects - a cat and a dog, say - and I wanted to describe them both as being beautiful, for instance, would "un gato y un perro bello" do this? Or would this sentence only describe the latter item, the dog, as being beautiful? If it's true that the adjective modifies both items, how would you go about describing two objects that have different genders? For example: "una gata y un perro." Does "una gata y un perro bello/a" have the same effect as the first sentence, or would you have to instead say something like "una gata bella y un perro bello"? What's the general rule here? Thank you in advance for any help offered!

3 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/no.name.42
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I am not a native Spanish speaker.

In Spanish, if there is one male person in a sea of woman, you would refer to them as "ellos." So, I'm guessing you would say "tengo una gata y un perro belllos."

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/angel.lorenzo

I am a native speaker and it is like no.name.42 says. When you refer to two words with different gender both become as "ellos". So it is correct to write or say "una gata y un perro bellos". But nowadays with all those movements in defense of the feminine rights many people usually prefers to separate every word with its gender and adjective. So it would be common that somebody writes "una gata bella y un perro bello". I know that in this case we are talking about animals but with all those kinds of movements we do not know.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/fallingknight
fallingknight
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That's always good to be mindful of. Thanks for your input.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/fallingknight
fallingknight
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Ah, I see. Thank you for replying! It's curious how male nouns tend to take precedence. Maybe it reflects history, maybe it's arbitrary. In any case, they're mostly just grammatical features.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rob2042

Not a native speaker but I would put the adjective in front of the first noun. This would give "Tengo un bello perro y gata." Which means I have a beautiful dog and cat and could mean my dog is beautiful and my cat is also beautiful or maybe the cat is just so-so. ;-)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/fallingknight
fallingknight
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Haha, thanks for your response. I was under the impression placing the adjective before the noun in Spanish gave it an objective status, so "una bella gata" means the cat is objectively or innately beautiful. Is this true and is it an exception with conjunction? Thanks again!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rob2042

Yours is a very good question. When getting into compound and complex adjectives describing one or more nouns the placement and usage becomes quite difficult. If duolingo decides to expand the lessons they really need to come up with exercises that address this issue. In answer to your question regarding the placement of "bello", I think you are correct that placing bello before perro does give the characteristic of the dog being beautiful as an innate quality of the dog. This would not be a problem unless you really wanted to express how the dog looks in that it is exceptional especially compared to other dogs. Then, it would be necessary to say "Tengo un perro bello y una gata bella, tambien." if you really wanted to give the cat equal billing. Once again, just my opinion.

3 years ago

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fallingknight
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Claro. ¬°Gracias por la respuesta! I'll do some research on adjective positioning. :)

3 years ago

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If you want to assign "bellos" to both objects (perro y gato) here are the rules. Same gender masculine, adjective masculine plural (Un perro y un gato bellos). Same gender feminine, adjective feminine plural (Una perra y una gata bellas). Different gender, adjective masculine plural (Un perro y una gata bellos. Una perra y un gato bellos).

If you want to assign "bello" only to one object you have to put the adjective in singular close to the object you want to qualify with the same gender. "Un bello perro y un gato". "Un perro y una bella gata". "Un bello perro y una gata". "Una perra y un bello gato". Etc

3 years ago

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fallingknight
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Thanks! This is similar to what no.name.42 mentioned. I think this comment will serve as a handy reference for if ever I'm in doubt. :)

3 years ago