"I really want to give that orange to you."
Translation:Şu portakalı sana vermeyi gerçekten istiyorum.
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If I understand the grammar here correctly, the reason it is "vermeyi" and not "vermek" is that "vermek" would have to come directly before "istiyorum". Is this true?
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But to me it sounds like I want this orange to be given to you. That is, I am not necessarily the one who does the giving. Is that not so?
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I believe that if someone else would be doing the giving, you would need the appropriate personal ending on the short infinitive, e.g. "gerçekten vermen istiyorum" with the -n for "you" on "give" for "I want you to give".
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Thank you, yes, I see it now, several months later. :) So, "vermeyi" is "vermek" in the accusative, and that happens because it is not immediately in front of the verb.
would 'o portakalı sana vermeMi gerçekten istiyorum' be acceptable?
No...if the subject of both phrases are the same, you must keep it in its infinitive form.
No, you must put "vermek" in the accusative case, since it is not directly before the verb.
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I can't work out why it's not vermem if that is who is giving the orange ( ie "me giving" or does it mean " I really want that orange to be given to you" :C
When the subject of the main verb and the gerund are the same, you do not use the possessive suffix. (It would make sense if it did take the suffix, but alas....languages are weird sometimes).
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it is a forgotten alternative. The order is quite flexible here and there are a lot of alternatives
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Can you say 'vermemi gerçekten istiyorum' to emphasise that you want to give the orange yourself? Or does it have to be vermeyi?