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"Il a de grands chats."

December 28, 2012



Why isn't it des grands chats? (Instead of de grand chats)


I finally understood it!

If you have adjective + noun in plural (grands chats) - then it is only "de". If you don't have adjective and only noun in plural (chats) - then it is "des".


DrakkarNoir, can you post some link here with this rule? Did you find it? Thanks.


As a general rule, "des" becomes "de" in front of an adjective.

It's something like saying "the best" in English. You can't say "a best" - it is always "THE best", "THE worst", "THE smartest" e.t.c. The same with adjective + noun - it's just the rule you should remember.


This English practice makes sense, though. Use of a superlative implies that there is only one.


I can't hear the difference between chat and chats or grand and grands in the speaking :-/


Since there is usually an article before a noun in french, you should pay attention to the article before it to differentiate if its a singular or plural noun. When a noun is singular, it would always have one of these article before it: un(for masculin noun), une (for feminin noun), le (m), la (f), l'(nouns that start with a vowel). If the noun is plural then: les (mf), du (m)(the "de" series can mean "some" [although not really plural but if otherwise I dunno how to categorize it XD]; shortened for "de le"), de la (f), des (m), de l'(vowel), and also in this case just "de" because there's an adjective before the noun. Note: de can also be used for plural nouns for phrases such as: beacoup de, plus de, pas de......etc. Sourse: highschool French


no difference between the pronunciation for chat vs. chats and grand vs. grands


If you want to look up the grammar online, look for "partitive" (which is the combination of de+article) and "adjectives".

So in this case, the rule is: 1) use the partitiv (de la/du/des) in front of "adjectiv + singular noun", for example Nous avons mangé du bon fromage. Nous avons écouté de la bonne musique.

2) use de (instead of des) in front of "adjectiv + plural noun", for example On l'a constaté de nombreuses fois: cet homme donne toujours de précieux conseils.

However, in spoken language, people often use "des" but only for short and well known adjectives such as beau, bon, faux, joli, grand, petit, vieux.

Plus, if the "adjectiv+plural noun" form a fixed expression, then there is only des: des jeunes gens, des jeunes filles, des grands magasins, des libres penseurs

Source: Klein/Kleineidam, 1996


What do you mean by fixed expression ? Where does difference between de petits chats and des petites baguettes come into play? I'm offering two acceptable but not interchangeable de/des answers from Duolingo.


Ur first rule says use "de la/du/des" for "singular noun but isn't "des" always followed by a plural noun?


I can't see the difference between grand and grands


When the noun is plural the adjective must also be plural.

Un grand chat, des grands chats.

A big cat, some big cats.


And yet the very title of this page that the comments are on is Il a de grandes chats . The first poster asked why de instead of des . Your answer was less than helpful in that regard.


And if they were female cats it would be: "des grandes chattes", correct?


clarasmiler, Though my hint seems rather "elementary", you could watch the "s". 'Grand' (male singular); "grands" (male plural). Moreover, for female nouns and their plural forms, you add an "e"/"es" ("grande"/"grandes"). Generally, I think these rules hold. For instance, (big cat) "Grand chat"/"grands chats"; (big skirt) "grande jupe"/"grandes jupes". Please, comment if you find some mistake. Good luck!


I mean in the speaking, for me, they sound the same


grands is for plural things and grande is for singular


she doesn't pronounce "des", I'm hearing "de"


Yes:) that's what I was asking


either way you know that cat should be plural because des and de mean "some". Moreover, de is actually what she's saying because the phrase is "il a de grandes chats" and as what others mentioned above, this phrase is grammatically correct.


Why isn't "He has some great* cats" acceptable?

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