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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/clarasmiler

"Il a de grands chats."

December 28, 2012

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rekhi

Why isn't it des grands chats? (Instead of de grand chats)

December 30, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DrakkarNoir

I finally understood it!

If you have adjective + noun in plural (grands chats) - then it is only "de". If you don't have adjective and only noun in plural (chats) - then it is "des".

January 2, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ollybound

DrakkarNoir, can you post some link here with this rule? Did you find it? Thanks.

January 3, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DrakkarNoir

As a general rule, "des" becomes "de" in front of an adjective.

It's something like saying "the best" in English. You can't say "a best" - it is always "THE best", "THE worst", "THE smartest" e.t.c. The same with adjective + noun - it's just the rule you should remember.

January 3, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/adamcrume

This English practice makes sense, though. Use of a superlative implies that there is only one.

March 23, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thundertabby

I can't hear the difference between chat and chats or grand and grands in the speaking :-/

January 11, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tomshc

Since there is usually an article before a noun in french, you should pay attention to the article before it to differentiate if its a singular or plural noun. When a noun is singular, it would always have one of these article before it: un(for masculin noun), une (for feminin noun), le (m), la (f), l'(nouns that start with a vowel). If the noun is plural then: les (mf), du (m)(the "de" series can mean "some" [although not really plural but if otherwise I dunno how to categorize it XD]; shortened for "de le"), de la (f), des (m), de l'(vowel), and also in this case just "de" because there's an adjective before the noun. Note: de can also be used for plural nouns for phrases such as: beacoup de, plus de, pas de......etc. Sourse: highschool French

January 30, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jldj

no difference between the pronunciation for chat vs. chats and grand vs. grands

May 25, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/martiniw

If you want to look up the grammar online, look for "partitive" (which is the combination of de+article) and "adjectives".

So in this case, the rule is: 1) use the partitiv (de la/du/des) in front of "adjectiv + singular noun", for example Nous avons mangé du bon fromage. Nous avons écouté de la bonne musique.

2) use de (instead of des) in front of "adjectiv + plural noun", for example On l'a constaté de nombreuses fois: cet homme donne toujours de précieux conseils.

However, in spoken language, people often use "des" but only for short and well known adjectives such as beau, bon, faux, joli, grand, petit, vieux.

Plus, if the "adjectiv+plural noun" form a fixed expression, then there is only des: des jeunes gens, des jeunes filles, des grands magasins, des libres penseurs

Source: Klein/Kleineidam, 1996

January 20, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/northernguy

What do you mean by fixed expression ? Where does difference between de petits chats and des petites baguettes come into play? I'm offering two acceptable but not interchangeable de/des answers from Duolingo.

February 2, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tomshc

Ur first rule says use "de la/du/des" for "singular noun but isn't "des" always followed by a plural noun?

February 2, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/clarasmiler

I can't see the difference between grand and grands

December 28, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bdflynn

When the noun is plural the adjective must also be plural.

Un grand chat, des grands chats.

A big cat, some big cats.

December 29, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/northernguy

And yet the very title of this page that the comments are on is Il a de grandes chats . The first poster asked why de instead of des . Your answer was less than helpful in that regard.

February 3, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/chanadet

And if they were female cats it would be: "des grandes chattes", correct?

January 1, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ollybound

clarasmiler, Though my hint seems rather "elementary", you could watch the "s". 'Grand' (male singular); "grands" (male plural). Moreover, for female nouns and their plural forms, you add an "e"/"es" ("grande"/"grandes"). Generally, I think these rules hold. For instance, (big cat) "Grand chat"/"grands chats"; (big skirt) "grande jupe"/"grandes jupes". Please, comment if you find some mistake. Good luck!

January 3, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/clarasmiler

I mean in the speaking, for me, they sound the same

January 3, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Azadeh2001

grands is for plural things and grande is for singular

January 12, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/98mph

she doesn't pronounce "des", I'm hearing "de"

January 3, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/clarasmiler

Yes:) that's what I was asking

January 3, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tomshc

either way you know that cat should be plural because des and de mean "some". Moreover, de is actually what she's saying because the phrase is "il a de grandes chats" and as what others mentioned above, this phrase is grammatically correct.

January 30, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ubiquitin_

Why isn't "He has some great* cats" acceptable?

May 31, 2013
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