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Trees Decay too Quickly

Can a limit be set on the number of items on a tree that decay in a 24 hour period? The following has happened to me many times:

Before going to bed, I go on Duolingo & turn all the items that I have already completed in my tree to gold. The following morning I try to make some progress but find that 12 or more items have lost their gold. By the time I catch them up there is no time to progress. This is very frustrating! Sometimes, in the same session, just as I catch up, 3 new ones loose their colors. I have seen a dozen or more decay within 3 to 4 hours. It is impossible to keep up let alone make any progress.

Can Duolingo set a limit to a maximum of 3 items decaying in a 24-hour period to allow us to catch up and make some progress without being frustrated? Does anyone else have this problem? It is especially bad in French but can sometimes get bad in Spanish, too. (Those are the only 2 languages I am doing now)

Thanks!

3 years ago

16 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/Larkin29
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There is also the fact that the site keeps track of how many answers you get wrong and how many times you peek at the definitions of words. If you do this a lot when strengthening, you may find your tree decaying very quickly.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mhop3223

Does the website actually keep track of when you peek? Always felt like I was hosing myself and progressing too fast when I peak, but if it keeps track that makes me feel better.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dcarl1
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Absolutely. And it counts as not knowing the word and so degrading faster. It's best not to peek unless you are really stumped.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/abarnowl

I am fairly proficient in French so, for me, I'm not sure if that's the case. In fact, I make more mistakes & peek more in Spanish yet that tree doesn't decay as quickly as French.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LeeBrownst1
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I finished the French tree 13 days ago. The skills started degrading rapidly. After a few days 27 skills (out of 80 skills in the entire tree) had strength less than 5. It took several hours to get them all up to 5 again.

Since then, things have stabilized. About 7 skills per day drop below 5. It usually takes one or two lessons per skill to bring them back up to 5, though I try to do at least half of the lessons in each skill. If I do all the lessons in all of the degraded skills, it takes between one and two hours to re-gild everything.

I understand that continuous moderate practice is beneficial, and one hour per day is not a lot to ask. But with fewer than 2000 vocabulary words, little drill in French sentence production, no exposure to natural speech and very rudimentary exposure to grammar, it's probably best to devote that daily hour to some other kind of French practice (including the translations in Immersion).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/spelaeus
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Yes I do agree with you. After completing the French tree and then golding it up twice I found this was not a very interesting way to spend my time: I find immersion much more interesting and useful. My alleged 'fluency' is therefore merrily declining - and bizarrely my Spanish, in which I know just one tense and perhaps 2000 words, now claims to be nearly as fluent as my French!! This is not in fact the case.....

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FlynnCowan

Happening to me too, I have no time for progress

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Elizabeth261736

Although I don't know for sure, I suspect that skills decay far more quickly if you are going through the tree very quickly. I've noticed that new skills completed often degrade after 5 days. So if you do many new skills on the same day, then 5 days later.... and if you do another 5 to 10 skill the next day....

If you do only one or two new skills per day, then it might decay more slowly. A while back, I had 8 or 9 skills degrade every day. I slowed down in French and have only had one skill degrade today so far.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/abarnowl

Thanks for pointing that out! As I remarked to someone else, I am fairly fluent in French so I am progressing quite quickly on that tree. This may explain it.

I live in Quebec & though my mother tongue is English, I am exposed to French daily. I decided to pursue the French tree out of curiosity.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Generally speaking a normal human being can only remember so much information in their short term memory, consistent review can push that information into long term memory.

If anything good courses impose a limit on how much (e.g skills/lessons/words) one learns in a day (with the exception of placement/checkpoint/test-out tests). The fact that people can finish courses by "racing through them" is an inherent design flaw, in my opinion.

A good course will never finish until the learner has assimilated and understood a considerable part of it. Unfortunately, very few individuals can amass and contain large chunks of information at any given point.

My point is that if you have mastered the previous content, then don't concern yourself over colourful trees, if you haven't then slow down and take the time to learn properly.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/abarnowl

Hi, While I can see your perspective on "racing through" a language, I don't necessarily see it as a design flaw. It would depend why someone is using Duolingo. Are they learning a brand new language? (If so, I 100% agree with you!) Are they using it to refresh a language they used to speak consistently but haven't used in a while? Are they using it to supplement a formal course they are taking at a school?

For me, I discovered Duolingo when my Spanish teacher recommended it as a supplement to his course. Over time I have completed that tree, sometimes taking forever and sometimes moving more quickly, depending on whether it had been covered in class and how well I understood. As for French, I always thought I was very fluent so I took it out of curiosity to see if I really did know as much as I thought. That is why I was able to move through so quickly, it was more of a quick review than a learn from scratch.

It is nice that Duolingo is structured to handle a variety of needs!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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They can race all they want, but one shouldn't be able to complete the course and earn the owl without a certain level of proficiency.

What's the difference between someone who used google translate to answer most exercises and someone who legitimately completed a course?

Right now from a third party's point of view there's absolutely no difference. But no matter how intelligent or ignorant you are, if you completed grade 10 you have a certain amount of knowledge, unless of course you also cheated through most of it.

Even cheating in high school requires a certain level of intelligence, but copy/pasting doesn't. Besides, Duolingo aims to be the best language learning platform, and with allowances on racing, it sort of invalidates its own goal.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ennyname

Yay.. I fixed the problem! I unsubscribed!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stefo93

This must be some bug. I usually get 1, eventually 2, during a 24-hour period. However, today 3-4 decayed which was frustrating. So either it's a bug or a feature that isn't really all that useful xD

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/abarnowl

Hi, I noticed you're doing Spanish. I found my French tree decays way faster and more often than my Spanish tree. Wonder if it's a Duolingo bug?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stefo93

It could well be that. Maybe the trees have different decay rate? Maybe, for some reason, Duolingo creators think that French vocabulary is forgotten more easily than the Spanish one? So many maybe's xD let's hope they give us some explanation.

3 years ago