A little bit of an Irish corner for beginners (like me)
This is really just a sort of area I wanted to set up where beginners can brag about their achievements and seek help from higher beginners... or more powerful deities just popping in for a little tea and cake. Whatever it is you want to do here, just make sure you do it well! +Bonus smileys to you if you post in Irish and 5 different people comment on your post.
P.S. Smileys are pointless but fun. I literally made them up.
P.P.S. If you're wondering where the bit about the powerful deities went, I decided it was a bit unfair for the people who aren't powerful deities but should be.
like many learners, I have found pronunciation to be the biggest hill to climb (and without pronunciation, it has been hard to learn vocab, and without vocab...). the thing I thought was funny/frustrating is that one of the first phrases you learn, dia duit (or daoibh), is pronounced soooo many different ways.
My system is the same as yours, and I keep 3 different keyboards (ALT + SHIFT to change to the next one). One for portuguese, which fits perfectly for Irish because Portuguese also has the "thingy" you said, one for Ukrainian and another one for Norwegian, and also for Swedish (it's better because it has the Norwegian letters and the ä and ö from swedish too). It is very easy to set them up, especially for English, because any Latin alphabet keyboard fits for it ;)
I don’t have Windows 7 myself, so I’ll defer to the Duolingo Wikia guide to keyboard layouts and input methods — you can follow the instructions there to set up use of the United States-International layout, which will let you type vowels with thingies by holding down the right Alt key when pressing the vowel. Note that that layout also makes use of “dead keys”, so typing an apostrophe followed by a vowel will also generate that vowel with a thingy; the downside is that if you need the apostrophe and vowel to stay as two separate characters, you need to type a space between the apostrophe and the vowel to keep them separate. You can toggle between two installed layouts, e.g. between US and US International, by pressing Control-Shift, so you can limit use of the US International layout to only those situations where you wish to type in Irish. (My understanding is that Control-Shift is used to switch layouts within one language, and Alt-Shift is used to switch layouts between different languages.)
Another option would be to use the Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator to make a custom keyboard layout to your liking — e.g. a standard US layout without dead keys but with the addition of being able to use the right Alt key to make vowels with thingies.
'I don’t have Windows 7 myself, so I’ll defer to the Duolingo Wikia guide to keyboard layouts and input methods — you can follow the instructions there to set up use of the United States-International layout, which will let you type vowels with thingies by holding down the right Alt key when pressing the vowel.'
I just tested it. No modifications, just plain-out doing it, and it worked! Thánks!
I’m glad that it’s working for you! I found that someone has already made a US International layout without the dead keys (i.e., its only additional characters are those that can be entered with the right Alt key); if you’d like to try it out, you can download Freeman2222’s Windows 7 keyboard layout via this Microsoft Community page.
The 'thingy' in Irish is called a 'síneadh fada' or just a 'fada'. So for example if you want to spell 'Tá ' you would say 't a fada'.
It's been some time since I used a Windows 7 machine but as far as I recall I could get é by typing control alt e and É by typing shift control alt e. I had a UK English keyboard setup.
In English: subject - verb - object
e.g. The ducks drink water.
In Irish: verb - subject - object
e.g. Ólann na lachain uisce. Literally: Drink the ducks water.
Actually most people are like that! (according to a French teacher I had), I think because if you're reading or listening to a foreign language and you know one or two of the words your brain can often understand the sentence from context, whereas the other way round you'd just be saying the two words which wouldn't make sense to anyone :P
Iontach! (what exactly these elusive smileys are I am yet to understand, they have been described as 'pointless but fun' and something you have to realise you have by yourself, no one can truly give you a smiley. One day I hope to be enlightened, but for now I have many footsteps to tread on my journey for answers.)
Has anyone found any good pronounciation guides that don't just use IPA? And I mean ones that don't just explain how the alphabet sounds, but how groups of letters are meant to sound etc, as I know some letter clusters make a sound totally different to what they look like in English. my main issue with Irish is that I haven't a clue how things are meant to be pronounced, or WHY they are pronounced that way. If I could get the pronounciation down then I'd have a better chance of actually remembering words haha.
It has a lot to do with the way vowels operate and change the letters around it, this video was helpful to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIokUII7LX0&feature=youtu.be
It talks about the various things that impact pronunciation, including fada(s?)/accents, long/short vowels, and the conjugation-based added letters in words like portan/phortan. Also there's a convenient handout that you can read along with, so as not to have to keep watching the video :)
I desperately need someplace to practice my meager skills!
An maith leat beoir dhorcha? Ní maith liom beoir. Is fearr liom uisce beatha.
You are wayyyyy out of my league in your Irish comment. Surely 'an maith leat' doesn't work as a phrase and should be 'is maith leat' - 'you like...'? And I have no idea what dorcha is, so count me out on that. You like bear(s) blah? I - (typo, I hope) - do not like bear(s). I prefer water blahs.