https://www.duolingo.com/FrankySka

Could we please cut the Duolingo team some slack?

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We are all eager to get started on the incubator. I am no exception. But some of the comments in the discussion make me sad. Having said that, of course everyone can express their opinion. But here are some points to consider.

1) Could we please all remind ourselves that Duolingo is free? I mean seriously, this is one of the most outstanding webpages that I've ever come across. It is beautifully done at the quality is absolutely amazing. I don't know why people always have such a sense of entitlement and think that if they got something for free they can still complain about stuff. (And just as a sidenote complaining and making suggestions for improvement or constructive criticism are NOT the same thing. Lately, I have seen a lot of complaining here. - "Der Ton macht die Musik." "It's not what you say, but how you say it.")

2) The Duolingo team consists of less than 30 members. With thousands of applications it will take a while to accurately evaluate them. As this is one of the things that I want to stress: quality over quantity. If you rush through things now, you will regret it later. Luis said they'll do it next week.

3) It is after all the weekend. While I am sure most Duolingo members as still working hard and sifting through applications this is not something that we can expect of them. I think we should appreciate all the work and all the hours these guys are putting in. When was the last time you worked for 27 hours straight such as they did in their hackathon?

Are we all impatient about the incubator? Yes of course we are.

Was the advertisement for the incubator maybe a bit misleading? Yes, sure. Most of us including me thought we would be able to add languages right away. Maybe they should've opened the applications earlier so we could've started on October 9. But they didn't. That's that.

Did these guys maybe underestimates how many applications they would get, and how many people love Duolingo so much that they want to give back? Probably. But seriously, when was the last time you did a project like that, that had absolutely nothing that It could be compared to. I mean Duolingo doesn't have any expertise with launching such a huge project and I doubt that there is really much comparable out there.

Hindsight is always 20-20.

So, lets show the team some love. Sorry for this long rant :)

5 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/kristinemc

Thanks, Frankyska :) We're working hard to get people into the Incubator over the next week. We're super excited by all the applications and enthusiasm around this project. Nobody has ever done something like this before, which makes the Incubator even more exciting. Appreciate all of your patience. The Duolingo team is working hard to make sure we get this off the ground as fast as possible. It also wouldn't be right to not thank all of you! We couldn't do this without our incredible community of language experts and learners.

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https://www.duolingo.com/akhansson
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Duolingo is the new big thing. :) The reason why many of us are impatient is because Duolingo is awesome! We understand that you are working hard and many of us are happy to wait. ;) There is a saying in Sweden that goes like this: "Den som väntar på något gott väntar aldrig för länge.". Here is a translation of what it means in english: "The person who is waiting for something good is never waiting for too long" but the more correct meaning of the sentence is "All good things come to he who waits.".

I want to finish off this message with a big hug to the Duolingo team!

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https://www.duolingo.com/FrankySka
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kristinemc, I hope the team knows the only reason we are so enthusiastic about it and so many people volunteered is because of the amazing work you've done before! We love you guys!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mohnish2002

you guys are doing a great job. i am an app developer and i can truly appreciate what u have done. it aint easy. so how long before this stuff becomes paid for ? :-)

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https://www.duolingo.com/queensuzanna
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I completely agree. It always saddens me when I see others complain about things that can't be helped, like the amount of time it takes for the team implement new features. Suggesting things and reporting problems is one thing, but being rude and inconsiderate to the fact that these things take time is not okay. Rome was not built in a day.

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https://www.duolingo.com/DanielPere528188
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yea true, I mean Duolingo is free and it is improving, a lot, making itself better every month with the hard work of 30 members. It is a rare thing to see , and the commitment they show, the constant feedback they give to the community. Incubator is just a tool they are creating , and we are going to help them improve duolingo and add the languages everyone wants to learn. People should give their support, not asking everything at once... There is a saying for this in portuguese , "dás uma mão, levam-te o braço" (you give your hand, they take your arm).

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https://www.duolingo.com/FrankySka
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:) we have a similar saying in german: (Du reichst jemanden den kleinen Finger und er nimmt den ganzen Arm -- you give your pinky finger, they take your entire arm)

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https://www.duolingo.com/ButMadNNW
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I think the closest we have in English is "give someone an inch, they take a mile".

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https://www.duolingo.com/blckvatanyar
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Дашь палец - по локоть откусят (you give one finger, they bite up to your elbow). Russian language is indeed a proud member of the club =)

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https://www.duolingo.com/DanielPere528188
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interesting :) ! I guess the idea crossed languages quite intact xD

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https://www.duolingo.com/akhansson
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We say the same thing in Sweden. "Ger man någon lillfingret så tar de hela handen".

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https://www.duolingo.com/Goran12
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List of languages which have no similar saying might be shorter than list of those that have it :-) (in Czech it's more similar to the German version).

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https://www.duolingo.com/Goim
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I actually know it as "Kleiner Finger, ganze Hand." (little finger, entire hand), as a short comment to point out, that one overstreches the kindheartedness of others =)

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https://www.duolingo.com/hilli

Das kenne ich mit Hand statt Arm.

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https://www.duolingo.com/FrankySka
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I know a few different variations of that - hand is one of them :)

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https://www.duolingo.com/caiser
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We use exactly the same in Spanish: "Les das una mano y se toman el brazo".

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https://www.duolingo.com/Equilibrio99
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I can't think of an English "arm" related saying. Just "If you give them an inch, they'll take a mile".

DuoLingo and the dedicated folks who work on it (and most of the people who comment thoughtfully) makes me think we are evolving into a better species.

Love you DuoLingo! Thanks for teaching me Spanish.

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https://www.duolingo.com/ygpdxwlr
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There is a saying, at least in terms of proximity, close to being "arm"-related: "Give them a finger, and they'll take the whole hand."

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/percyflage

"They'll take an arm and a leg"

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sebby_Pal

I really like how everybody can share their language in discussions on Duolingo!!! just shows how great it really is

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mechanigenic

We have exactly the same saying in Turkish; "Elini verip, kolunu kaptırırsın." (You give your hand, they catch your arm) By the way, Duolingo is a revolutionary product - even it is "kostenlos". Ten folds better than the German set I bought few years ago. Can't thank Duolingo team enough for this amazing work.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FrankySka
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I'm glad I am not the only one who thinks this (Though I was sure I wasn't - most people here are way to nice!)

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https://www.duolingo.com/Goran12
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I completely agree. I would add one thing (though too late for most who should read it): think before you apply. There are lots of applications now and I'm afraid lots of them are from people who shouldn't apply. No wonder the Duolingo team members are too busy now and that we should be glad if they really manage to process everything before next weekend.

If you want to apply, you should first answer these two questions:

1) am I good enough in both languages concerned, so that I wouldn't make unnecessary mistakes?

2) do I really want (and can) to give some five or ten hours a week to the project?

(If you want just the basic message and not long rants, you can stop here, the rest consists mostly of consequences of the previous)

If you are absolutely sure you meet both requirments, than close the page, go jogging, take a shower, or otherwise loose your mental grasp over this idea, then think over and if you are still sure, apply. Otherwise wait and either honestly confess you don't meet the criteria, or try hard to learn the language you need (at best some one or two hours a day, the time you will redirect to work on the course when your abilities in the language are satisfying and your application is accepted).

If you can't honestly promise you will work on Duolingo course several hours a week (and that you will still work on it so hard after few weeks of primary ignition), wait until someone else start the course. The main reason: if one team member stops working (or cuts their working hours down to some one hour a week or even less), it's bad, but the project goes on through work of others, but if the only worker stops, the project is dead, and later revival difficult. Similarly, one or two hours per week is not much, but such a team member is still better than no team member, at least if other qualities outweigh lack of time. But a team leader working just one or two hours a week? It really doesn't worth it.

There's another reason - enthusiasm is important, but it's quite tricky, because it can vanish quickly when real difficulties emerge. Waiting a week or two is similar to such difficulties - it helps to tell a deep, sincere and long-lasting decision from short-term enthusiasm that would betray you when problems occur. It's better not to apply at all than to flee from your commitment few days or weeks after the project started (or after you joined), at least because such a withdrawal is quite demotivating for others.

The system of bilingual motivation letter is excellent - it is quite difficult to process, but it makes the applicants think first and it shows quite a lot about each applicant's motivation and language abilities.

I write from my experience - the application form forced me to think whether I should apply with that two hours a week at best and with my English, which is fluent and mostly good, but with some rusty parts. So I wait for someone to start Czech to English first, and I hope that experience of others will encourage me not to withdraw from this plan. I would suggest others to do it like me, so that the team members have time to empty the application buffer.

EDIT: uh, the original post is quite long, but my rant is even longer.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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How is it possible to use italic writings here?

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https://www.duolingo.com/ButMadNNW
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You italicize by putting things between asterisks. :-) (That's Shift+8 on American keyboards; not sure about other countries.)

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https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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This is great, thank you so much!

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https://www.duolingo.com/akhansson
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English: Good things come to those who wait.

Danish: Alt godt kommer til den der venter

Swedish: Den som väntar på något gott, väntar aldrig för länge

Norwegian: Den som venter på noe stort, venter aldri for lenge

German: Was lange währt, wird endlich gut.

Spanish: Las mejores cosas de la vida se hacen esperar

French: Tout vient à point à qui sait attendre

Hungarian: A türelem rózsát terem

Russian: Kто ждёт, тот дождётся (kto ždjot, tot doždjótsja)

Slovak: Kto si počká, ten sa dočká.

Japanese: 果報は寝て待て (kahou wa nete mate)

Mandarin: 好事多磨

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https://www.duolingo.com/Larisa_L
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I would say that your Russian version is not a common saying and in any case it doesn't have the idea of waiting for something good. But there is another saying: Терпи, казак, атаманом будешь, which is very common, and it can be translated as: Be patient, Cossack, and you will become a chieftain.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TroyPuyear

I love this saying and plan to start using it with people I know. Thank you for sharing. I will become a chieftain one day. ; )

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German: Was lange währt, wird endlich gut. (literally: What takes a long time will in the end be good) :)

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https://www.duolingo.com/akhansson
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Dankeschöhn! :) I will add it. If anybody else knows how to say this in another language than listed, I would gladly add it.

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https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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Actually it's "Dankeschön!" =)

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https://www.duolingo.com/akhansson
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Aaaah. Thanks. =)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gjashi

ვინც მოითმენს, ის მოიგებს

Georgian :)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iWitness

Welsh-bethau da yn dod i'r rhai sy'n aros korean- 좋은 일들이 자들 기다려 Latin-qui expectant bona proveniunt Greek- τα καλά πράγματα έρχονται σε αυτούς που περιμένουν

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https://www.duolingo.com/chilvence
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Are you the marketing director for Guinness by any chance?

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https://www.duolingo.com/akhansson
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Hahaha. Almost. :) i like playing one at least. Lol.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/katina.m

Slovak: Kto si počká, ten sa dočká.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Yu-Jie
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Um, I don't think the chinese proverb is supposed to be like that, but I can't think of any right now.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Goran12
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In Czech it's almost like in Slovak: "Kdo si počká, ten se dočká."

Or other saying with the same meaning (but slightly less positive): "Dočkej času jako husa klasu." Literally: "Wait for the (right) time like a goose waits for some grain ears". Sometimes it's abbreviated to "dočajahukla" or "do čaja hukla" (I'm not sure how to translate the verb, but it would be something like "She yapped to the tea.").

5 years ago

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Thank you for posting this comment. When I see the 'demanding' and 'whining' tones of some of the posts to the discussion boards (about a number of topics), they remind me of something that I saw in a comic strip years ago. I think the name of the comic strip was 'The Family Circus'. To summarize, you see about 5 or 6 panels where it shows a parent taking a child to an amusement park, buying him things, taking him on the rides, basically spending the whole day giving the child a wonderful experience. The next to the last panel shows the child asking for an ice cream cone and the parent says 'No, you've had enough to eat'. The final panel shows the child throwing a tantrum and yelling, 'You NEVER do anything for me!!!'.

5 years ago

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The Duo team deserve praise and support in the heavy job they have undertaken and frankyska has expressed it very well.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Futbolmirapol
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It is a rather unnerving thought that we have to get to this juncture where people still have the unfortunate audacity to ridicule the practice of something that has become much bigger than all of us. Duolingo has legitimized a well thought-out, innovative and efficient application that's sparked a revolution in the field of language-learning. I attest to my own personal triumphs of learning several languages at once that Duolingo harmoniously gone in sync with my own learning speed and skills, and I've been allowed to acquire new tenses and verbiage in amazing fashion.

Because of the help of Duolingo, and the guidance of peers of their native languages that have helped throughout this process, I've been allotted more opportunities and gained a much wider perspective, respect and appreciation for the cultures of which their languages I am currently learning. For the first time in my entire life, I can maintain a conversation with my grandmother, who is suffering from Alzheimer's, by speaking Spanish which is my families' heritage of Puerto Rico where I was born and raised.

Duolingo has provided the tools and guidance to allow ANYONE to engage in learning not only a new language, but also learn about an entirely new culture of people, food, activities and ideas. Don't make haste of rash judgement on the staff at Duolingo, because doing so only impedes the progress and imagination they've conjured up to create the platform we currently utilize. I hope I didn't ramble on too much like the gentleman who initiated this discussion, I only intend to preach what he so perfectly explained in clear detail.

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https://www.duolingo.com/FrankySka
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Haha, you calling me a "gentleman" made me change my mind about not having a profile-pic. Apparently my Nick was to gender neutral :)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LonelyPerson19

I like it when people care.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/adamchalupa

A dollar a user in donations would go such a long way.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElijahTrotter

Dude I never thought about that but you are sooo right !!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/isradakovich

Yeah, and almost everyone has a dollar to give to such a noble cause

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A summary would help. But yes, I agree. However, the trouble with Duolingo, is that the information is hard to come by and even worse to disseminate. The founder and team members make many fragmented statements and announcements, which frequent users see but some other people don't. So this is the end result: people will complain and make noise until either DUOlingo becomes opensource, or a little more open regarding feedback, bug reports, and new features. Perhaps if it had a centralized place to inform about bugs and new features it would be better because a forum is hardly a good place for that.

Summary: I agree, but it is complicated to inform users, it is a juggling act that they succeed most times and fail a few times.

5 years ago

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yes, something like "pinning discussion" has been suggested a lot, and that the discussion section as a whole needs to be better organized. I think they are working on it, from what I remember reading. For my part: I have just started following all the moderators, so I simply need to check my stream for interesting comments :)

P.S. I have added some bold to make it more easily readable - I think the title pretty much summarizes my point :)

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You see, there's the trouble. You think they are working on it, you don't know for a fact and you have no way of verifying it. I have knowledge of software development, so I understand more than the average user about the difficulties. Well, following mods is one way of doing it. By the way, most mods aren't part of staff(as far as I know) they are just trusted volunteers (I think).

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Sorry I guess I ment staff - or the ones with blue circles and stars :). Yes, I totally agree with the think problem: I read it somewhere but digging it out would take a while! But FAQs, organizing the discussion etc have certainly been propose (by me and others), and the response from the team was always positive. I think this page is always improving - there are some things that I personally think should have more priority than others, but I am just one person...:)

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Correct, moderators are volunteers who were selected for their helpful behaviour in the discussion section. They can be recognised by the green M, are able to delete comments that do not follow the community guidelines (http://www.duolingo.com/guidelines) and are expected to set an example during discussions. Not everyone has decided to pick up her or his moderatorship though and there are a lot of community members who are able to do great things without that little M. For instance, posting a thoughtful discussion is an excellent way to encourage people to think about the way in which we would all like the community to function. Thank you for your kind efforts, I'm sure they are appreciated by both the staff and fellow community members. Keep it up and good luck with your studies!

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Thank you so much. And thanks for your comments as well - I recognize your name from other discussions :)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/behotaling

Duolingo your doing great keep up the good work!

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Great post - and I agree wholeheartedly. Thanks to Duolingo, I've finally started to learn a bit of french. It's wonderful, and I'm beyond grateful that this resource exists. ♥

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I'm still amazed that so many people expected to hit the ground running on the 9th when Luis was clear that there would be a vetting process for selecting moderators for any given course. Logically, contributors won't be added until the moderators are in place to manage the development of courses. I can't imagine how anyone would have the idea that such a thing would happen more or less immediately like so many people seem to have expected. Even so, it was obvious from reading forum posts that many people had extremely unrealistic expectations well before the launch date, and DL staff could have done a better job of managing user expectations by being even more explicit. I bet they've learned this lesson very well and will handle future roll outs a bit differently.

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You are right, we all knew that there would be a selection process at some point. I think the more accurate description of my statement above would have been: “We all/most of us expected for it to happen faster”. As a matter of fact I think that includes the Duolingo team.

Why do I think that?

1) Well first of all I think they would've advertised the incubator differently if they had not thought that they could go through the applications within a maximum of a few days.

2) Second the notification box that popped up after we submitted our application said that we should hear within a few days. Given that Duolingo has never launched such a huge project before, I would assume that that was their conservative estimation of how long it would take.

3) Third, there was a discussion: Kristine asked who would contribute, and with what languages, to the incubator (http://www.duolingo.com/comment/873415). It didn’t even ask for the ‘first phase’ of the incubator only. This discussion got about 500 replies. (Some of them were obviously by the same people, discussing things within the threat). So going from that number I think the best estimate Duolingo had might have been a couple of hundred applications -- not a couple of thousand!

So, what I think happened is that the response to the incubator was just unexpectedly high. This is obviously a good thing; the more people apply, hopefully the better quality moderators and translators we can get. ☺

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HMHsparkley

I agree with jorgevan007 , there should be a button to donate on the site, they work so hard at it, and we do nothing for them

5 years ago

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I think they should also be happy if we donate some time to Duolingo. By answering language questions of other users in Forums, by translating in Immersion (they're paid for some of the translation), by reporting the errors we saw in lessons, by helping within the Incubator...

5 years ago

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I think they are! :) Pretty sure about that

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnitaDK

You are right! I love duolingo and appreciate all that they are doing to make this the best that it can be! with every upgrade I am eternally grateful! This is the greatest FREE language learning software ever! How can any one complain about a FREE that is so amazing it almost makes you feel bad that you didnt pay?? Keep up the good work duolingo! I'm routing for you :)

5 years ago

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Duolingo - please do add an optional donation button. I always give a little something to free websites that I use frequently. I've been having lots of fun with Duolingo (German, French and now Italian!) and would love to contribute.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElijahTrotter

It would be really awesome if they added a pay/donate button, considering what duolingo has become and all the work the small group of people who run duolingo has done.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FJoyB

Nice post, FrankySka! I was thinking, this being free and all... Would it be too much of an added inconvenience (legally, or for tax reasons) to have a "donate" button?

I know with as big of a community as this is some people might want to chip in at least a few bucks as a "thank you!" :)

And that said, thanks guys! I'm finally learning Spanish because I want to, not just because I have to pass a test. (And, coincidentally, I am learning how and why Spanish grammar works as it does just because of how the lessons are setup here--very cool.)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/writerjisung

Thank you for your post! I can't even begin how many times I wanted to say "be patient" to some of these discussions here. >.< Something as big as the incubator takes time and shouldn't be rushed. I know we're all eager and want to start right away, but we should have more patience. ^^

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tariqnisarahmed

I am so glad that I have been using Duolingo via the app recently. It has insulated me from having to read criticisms of the incubator, of duolingo, etc.

Nothing on-line has been so beneficial for me as Duolingo. Whatever might come to mind is a distant second.

Gmail or any email for that matter? Ads, spam, inbox counts, and of course viruses. Facetime? Skype? NSA and privacy issues. Spam. And it can be as bad as a cell phone if you let it be.

Nope, I'd nominate Luis for President if I wished him ill. But I'd be a fool to find fault with this wonderful web site.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Greybomber

Duolingo is free, we have no right to make any complaints full stop. An amazing website which I will be using for years to come. Great job team.

5 years ago

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Excellent. Bill and I love this site and we're very thankful for it and for those who work so hard to keep it up and running.

5 years ago

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I totally took your side. everyday I am very thankful this site. no better this no complain any more but just acetpted as a good advise not complain. this is result from staff in a small group I m happy to see this

5 years ago

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She is right, for a small team they have more than 1 million people using this app/ site!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ichilingo

No, not just more than 1 million. 10 million.

5 years ago

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I knew there was way more than 1 million users but i didn't know exactly. ;)

5 years ago

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Duolingo rocks ^^ I love it!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElijahTrotter

Dude You are right totally right duolingo rocks!!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jordantrotter

you are right

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eirajea

I don't have the words- in any language- to express how much I appreciate all of the staff here at Doulingo. I started using Doulingo yesterday and I have learned more spanish in two days than I have in several school semesters of spanish classes. Not only that, but I have never been able to understand the pronunciations, verb tenses or memorize the masculine and feminine terms until now. Thank You Doulingo staff I and the many others here really appreciate your hard work.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/airedalemom

I love duolingo and think it is amazing. You do a great job and unbelievably...it's free.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/shmirl5

I wish there was a "love" button that I could press a kazillion times.....well said Franky Ska. LOVE DUO LINGO!!!!!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ereardon

Thank you for the rant! I agree! Cut the team a lot of slack here... it's a free service that's amazing!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ryan5

One should not get angry on the internet

5 years ago

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Two years later and this is still applicable... This is a great post.

Yes people, we are all constantly reloading the page that says "Hungarian: Hatching, 100% Done" because we hope in vain that it will be ready to study. But let's take it back and realise just how much effort and work they have put into this.

Same for everything else.

I greatly appreciate all the work that the Duolingo staff do.

Thank you. Gracias. Merci. Takk. Dziękuję. Köszönöm. Keep up the hard work, and we all love you!

3 years ago

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I just want to "like" your post a thousand times. Thanks for catching your thoughts. Everybody who is angry in these posts should print your written text and read it again and again until they realise how amazing the duolingo staff is!

5 years ago

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How about adding a donations button so people can give a few bucks to help and maybe the team can hire additional developers

5 years ago

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This has been suggested before recently, and I think it is a great idea. Just the sheer number of Duolingo users could make this a really helpful contribution for the development. It would also ensure that people that cannot afford to pay for language learning would still get it for free but we could help out with a few bucks and make a difference :)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/smoore5527

I would donate.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElijahTrotter

me too

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/12345678910BLAZE

And I.

1 year ago

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I will also donate.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jacob637372

Agreed

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LegendaryTJ

Wow I cant believe this many people care about Duolingo this much. I think the team must really appreciate what you have said, and id love to donate.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jennifer.stogner

I would donate.

5 years ago

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Duolingo is so useful for my life and one of few things that I would happily donate something.

3 years ago

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I would love to donate as well. :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LunatiaLucania

I would donate.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bored-Anarchist

i agree

5 years ago

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Yeah, maybe like this: If you want to buy something with your lingnots , but you don't have enough, you can buy some in real. So : it stays a win/win , we get more lignots to buy stuff, and they get money to keep the web existing ( Sorry for my bad English :P) !

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/missperio

Wouldn't it be more helpful if you re-did a few courses with the full-heart bonus to earn the lingots instead? ;)

5 years ago

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Kinda like Wikipedia?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Francophone-y

yass, my upvote was the 77th one!

2 years ago

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Thanks! Glad to hear people share the sentiment :)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gearz127

dito ! :D

5 years ago

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Dito

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dito

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dito

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dito

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dito

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dito

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dito

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1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Christine1999

Yes, they are absolutely amazing. And they are still PEOPLE. Of course, I also can´t wait, when will be the new courses ready, but if can I give on advice: Have a little break, Duo staff, as FrankySka said. You´ve made too much in a short time. Just see the list in this discussion: http://www.duolingo.com/comment/905853.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnnaKneip

Thank you for pointing that out MultiLingueAlex! That is a very good point! People really do get WAY too upset at the staff when they shouldn't! :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MUSICGIRL444

what?

3 years ago

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Bravo, very well said, I tip my hat to you and the good people of Duolingo

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AdoElias

Exactly my thoughts. I would give you a lingot if I could :) Everyone is disappointed, but it's for a good reason. Let's be patient.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/smearedink

If only those Duolingo JERKS would let us give lingots!

(I love you, Duolingo.)

5 years ago

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I am not disappointed. Why should I?

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AdoElias

Probably because you could expect as many people here did that they would be actually able to USE the Incubator immediately on 9th October.

5 years ago

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Sure, but honestly: Did people really think that? I'm not arrogant, but it was obvious that it may take time to read through all the applications etc. - yes, it was a bit confusing and misleading how duolingo announced it a.s.o. but this is not the reason why I should feel disappointed. But I understand your point.

5 years ago

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You live and learn. Duolingo is still an awesome website.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AdoElias

Agreed :)

5 years ago

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Being able to give lingots to anyone is a brilliant idea. :)

5 years ago

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I disagree, only because I've seen similar systems turn into people begging to be given whatever currency without earning them. I'd hate to see the discussions here turn into that. :-)

5 years ago

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If that became a reality it would be a nightmare. Absolutely. I still think it is worth to try. My opinion is that they could disable it again if it doesn't work out as planned. ;)

5 years ago

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Duolingo is something, i appreciate all the work the staff have done and hope to see more soon, as well as new languages and hopefully Japanese among them.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eirajea

Yes I hope Japanese will be added too. I have been wanting to learn Japanese for years and just recently started listening to Japanese music, watching anime and drawing anime(Not to mention reading manga). I know some words and phrases and the basic format for a sentence, but I want to learn the entire language so I can sing those vocaloid songs and understand what the shows/movies are saying without subtitles!!!!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GermanMPcat

Well said!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Daisa15

i totally 110% agree with this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hilli

Great words! So true!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/susing

Grazie!!!!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Yoli2201

I agree, duolingo is brilliant!!!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/elizabethmcn
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I like you guys! I think it's a wonderful program and I'm having lots of fun with it and learning so much! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aelfwyne

Slack is due!

I think a lot of us were expecting a breakthrough crowdsourced learning solution. What incubator is, is not quite as crowdsourced as many believed. Does that mean it is bad? No. Just not what people were expecting.

Now, some folks have expressed the lack of their expectations being met differently than others. But, as you point out, Duolingo is still a free service. Most of us agree that quality is vital, as well. So I'm sure that the team is doing everything the best way they can with the resources they have, and we will simply wait to enjoy the benefits.

5 years ago

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No. It's been four days. Why aren't I learning Cherokee yet? You must have done something wrong!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Robth

I've just found Duolingo and totally agree with your comments. To find a totally free language learning site is amazing and I like this one a lot. So many say they are free but you only get a taster and then have to pay. I am advising all my spanish learning friends to join. The only problem is that it is totally addictive!!! I also like the android app.

5 years ago

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Thank you for your honnest and respectful comment !
I would like to know what you're referring to when you talk about the "incubator"

5 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Zythey

yea, the design of the website is awesome, you can learn languages, all of it is like a game and it completely free, what more could you want?

5 years ago

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Hah!!! I found you! I knew you would be in this discussion. It's HUGE!!! I've already found like, ten other people I know... Have a lingot! I feel bad for you since 30 is a ton. Well, C'est la vie.

5 years ago

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I suppose it did take three months to find you... Oh Well!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/momzapa

I just "discovered" this app and I think it's amazing! I can't believe is free and awesome!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Garrett.Owen

J'aime

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Andromedaren

Yup! I Just found out about Duolingo:)A huge thank you to the staff and creators!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mohnish2002

couldn't agree more. its a well planned app that's free. that should be gratitude enough

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/calebmasters

great comment i totaly agree with you

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/juliannatarsha

all i have to say is U R SO RIGHT! guut!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chiderah6th

oo

5 years ago

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I'll totally second that! Great points, well made.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LegendaryTJ

Duolingo is the BEST!!!!!!!!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/geeaiye

I agree one hundred percent infact i rate duolingo as good

as rosseta I am using the two and duolingo helps me to understand the word and usage better.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElijahTrotter

I think duolingo makes it a goal to make such a good language program, I mean It really defiantly works well It helps me be able to have a conversation and understand when I talk to people who are Spanish ,French, German, Italian , and so on.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/percyflage

Elijahtrotter, I am so glad you like DL. I do too. FYI (For Your Information) it is "definitely" not "defiantly" :)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MariaNesheiwat

Ya I mean this is a great program!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElijahTrotter

Very good program! , but seeing what they made the program to be , Its more like a "fun learning program"

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DoKra

I am 100% with you Franky! For me it is the best webpage ever! With Duolingo I found a tool that makes me kind of addicted to studying - and that really sounds awkward to me to be honest. I tell everybody to use Duolingo and I love the fun competition with my friends. We finally compete about something of which we get something useful out of. Thank you very much for your long rant 8D

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DeeDeeBug

Don't apologize for your rant. We get so accustomed to having things readily available 24/7 on the computer and in the stores that we get a little spoiled and forget that we should appreciate the efforts of others to make our lives easier! I know my first comment was a bit negative and snarky and I deleted it for that reason. I was just moody and frustrated as a beginner, but then realized what a turd I was being. I really love this program! Thanks Duolingo team!

5 years ago

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I'm completely new here, but this is a seriously clever and kind 'rant'. I'm grateful for what I've been given and if one day I can give back I will, but this has to be on their own terms. I respect the team so much for not just imagining this project but also truly making it happen. Thanks !

5 years ago

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yayayayayaya GO DUOLINGO!!!!

5 years ago

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Hi Franky! I would like to share that even me, and i am not part of the Duolingo team, sometimes I feel disapointed for the way some people "ask" their questions, or the way they "comment". however, from my point of view, the only inportant words I have for Duolingo's Team are "THAN YOU SO MUCH, I LOVE YOUR WORK"

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/isradakovich

I love your post. I was so excited when I found this site. I had been trying to convince my mom to get me Mango languages but she wouldn't because it costs $$$. In despair, I googled Free French and Duolingo popped up! (cue holy voices singing) Ever since I have been totally hooked. So happy I can learn a language especially with a site like this one. Normally free sites are trash BUT NOT DUOLINGO. Again, I totally agree with your post and hate it when people sit back and just criticize what they aren't skilled enough to do. DUOLINGO ROCKS AND WE SHOULD ALL BE INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL. Thank you FrankySka for bringing this very important topic to light!

2 years ago

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i've just started from a different website which was really good but has now turned terrible. Please continue the great work duolingo team, and cut them some slack :D

5 years ago

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May I ask which website? Livemocha? Rosetta Stone bought Livemocha. I used it frequently before but I turned to Duolingo. Just curious if the situation is the same for you. :P

5 years ago

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Rosetta bought Livemocha? Ahh, that explains all the emails saying "final hours to get Rosetta Stone whatever% off!" (which I've received on several days, so those are some loooooong hours).

5 years ago

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I bet Rosetta felt threatened by the former Livemocha community and it's concept that they decided to buy them. Sad but true. I hope this never happens to Duolingo. That would be a disaster.

5 years ago

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Memrise. I does flashcards in general, and you can create your own aswell. Maybe a path duolingo wants to expand to in the far future?

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jenny1voice

I love this programme - I have 546 more words under my belt than I had a couple of months ago of a foreign language. It's an amazing programme - thank you so much to the whole team and community.

5 years ago

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Well said dude : )

5 years ago

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I agree man

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TomCowley

yes i feel that this is a good forum obwohl, you need to have more information ebi : be nicers

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iWitness

totaly agree! without these ppl i would have such a herd time in in my class the duolingo team is awesome, they could make big bucks off this site, and i am totally astounded by their decision to keep this a free site DUOLINGO TEAM... YOUR AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FrenchAddict7

I completely agree with this comment. I love that Duolingo is fre, fun, and you learn languages fast. Thanks so much Duolingo!!! :)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FrenchAddict7

Doulingo is also cool to install this hangouts thing :)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jaye16
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Do not understand what "hangout thing"refers to. Please clarify.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FrenchAddict7

Oh I meant the comment thing where people can have conversations and explain things to each other. The thing we are using now. Sorry for not clarifying!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jaye16
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Oh, I see and love the idea. Just think, in the exercises we get to ask all sorts of questions, propose alternative solutions etc and get gteat feedback even reference sites etc. Whereas, for Immersion which is meant to go public we have no support aside from checks and exes. The edit explanations are one way streets.

Edit The above was posted months ago. Now we have a Discuss option on Immersion which is equivalent to the comments for the lesson. It's not used as much as it should be but when it is it's very constructive. Thanks Duo.

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jo7474

Thank you Duolingo for the free language courses. I appreciate all that is afforded to me for free!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ezattack123

I love this post also see: http://www.duolingo.com/comment/1126438

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/galinaleeovna

So true! Thanks for this! Remember to put yourself in their shoes sometimes!!!! I love this whole site and the people who made it happen and keep it running!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GynaffiT

I totally agree about this post. I have been studying Spanish for years and this site/iPad app has helped tremendously and helped to bring the entire learning process together for me. THANK YOU!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/livsoccer02

Thanks! This is nice! :)

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/fossildoctor

Well said! Thanks for sticking up for the staff!!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HUNTERGURL

That is awesome, thank you for using YOUR time to put this together..i hope people will get something out of this....

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EssenceMcCarthy

me too

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PizzaPastaPower

I HAVE A REQUEST! SINCE SOMEHOW DUO DISAPPEARED MAYBE YOU SHOULD ADD SOMETHING LIKE DUO IS HIDING SOMEWHERE ON THE SCREEN AND IF YOU FIND AND CLICK ON HIM YOU WILL GET 1 LINGOT. PLEASE IT IS SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sebby_Pal

I see what you mean. Even I sometimes complain about Duolingo sometimes but I think that you are right. It is free and despite some petty complaints it is still amazing

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jhyde2

maybe maybe not

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnimeFreak99

You are absolutly right, Treat our team better.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JuanitaJacobs

I too would donate!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/_ava_a24

Duolingo is no doubt better than Fluencia and Babbel (which btw I tried. It was terrible and you had to pay for the rest of it) Now they're sending me emails about how they miss you and I could get 15% off. I told them thanks, but I'm on Duolingo now which is free!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/_ava_a24

Though to think about it, Duolingo sent me half my Inbox.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DiamondDragon

i love Taco's!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rowah

I would Donate

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/.sands1234

I disagree. I mean we can do it ourselves can't we?! Duolingo need to be quicker and give us more control. I mean, WE are applying to make a course shouldn't we get what we want quicker?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PoptartPegasus

I agree 100%

4 weeks ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SabrinaHanning

So true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The team does SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much for us, and all we do for them is complain?!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/.sands1234

Crap reason to start a discussion. Not worth the time. Duolingo need improvement

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ragrawal

It's a business. It's not free out of altruism, but because they would not have the eyeballs people had to pay. I still really love the service, but you seem like a shill

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FrankySka
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there is a difference between being self sufficient and being a business

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElijahTrotter

well said, Very well said!

5 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chilvence
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No, I totally agree with the original comment. And I work... I mean don't even work for Duolingo!

5 years ago
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