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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ryanwsmith

Vocé accepted for Você

I just realized (or rather my Brazilian wife pointed out to me) that I'd been incorrectly typing vocé rather than the correct spelling and accent você. The incorrect accent (vocé) appears to be accepted as 100% correct, but should probably not be.

December 29, 2012

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/digokoch

"Vocé" is wrong. The correct way is "Você".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Moke93

Yup, I asked a brazilian friend about the accents aswell because there doesn't seem to be much distinguishing between them in duolingo. I think they need to do the same as in German. It is pointed out as a spelling error but still given as correct.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BGRommel

That is interesting. It usually tells me to notice I got the accent wrong on words, for instance I typed aguá instead of água. It still counted it as correct, but told me to check my accents. I haven't typed você with a different accent, but I would have thought that the program would have alerted you to an accent misstep.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CarissaB9

True! That is exactly what it does, it just doesn't take a heart away, but like you said it tell's you your putting the wrong accent.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Philip626212

Good thing, too -- keyboards on a mobile device can make it hard to type diacritics, and on a laptop sometimes the clickable letters are really tiny and easy to mix up.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jalanstrauss

You're right. Confusing, because it's actually taught in Duolingo as an acute, not as a circumflex. Duolingo should fix that. Big problem.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CarissaB9

It's not that it accepts it as correct, it just doesn't take a heart away from you, but it mentions that you spelled it wrong and to keep in mind the correct accent.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SD-77

Shouldn't it be "voçê"?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/vivisaurus

Hey, S7D!

No, ç is never used before an e. Or an i. Here is a quick course:

A lot of us learn to memorize this little sequence (written phonetically for you):
KÁ - SSÉ - SSÍ - KÓ - KÚ

This is essential to understand "ç", so look at it again and say it out loud-- you'll understand this much better if you do! What the thing you hopefully just read out loud and kind of memorized does, is it shows you the natural state of the "c" sound. Here are words to show that:

Café -- Cerveja -- Cidade -- Cobra -- Cubo

As you might have noticed, without modifications, c+e and c+i have an SS sound, and the other ones have a K sound. So, In order to make the ones that have the K sound have an SS sound, we put a little sssnake at the bottom of the c. Because ce and ci already have the SS sound, you never use ç before an i or an e.... Never. Ever.

SO, an all-SS-sound row would look like this: ÇÁ -- CÉ -- CÍ -- ÇO -- ÇU

Examples: Cabeça -- Acerola -- Macio -- Braço -- Cupuaçu

Cabeça without the second ç (cabeca) would be pronounced "kabayka". There is a similar rule for the use of G, and whether you should add the U after it or not. ( GÁ - XJE - XJI - GÓ - GÚ ), but that is too much for one post. =)

Important: K only exists in names and foreign words, but not in the official alphabet.

Important: A word will NEVER begin with ç. If it sounds like Çapato, it starts with an S.

I made the snake thing up, although I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me that when I was learning to write. I hope this helps! =)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SD-77

Wow... This is overwhelming...In a really good way! Thank you!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EugeniaAT

This was so great, thank you!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kumbimurin

Thank you so much! Im learning on my own and it really helps to have people like you point things out like this that I may never have understood


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Philip626212

I've always found the cedilhas in Portuguese and French to be intuitive. In my own language, English (which is 40% Romance vocabulary anyway), the "C" functions basically like any Romance language -- hard before a, o, u, soft before e and i*. Spanish doesn't have "Ç" but it uses "Z" in roughly the same way.

Point being, no native English speaker pronounces city like kitty or core like sore. :) So it should be pretty intuitive to remember the "natural state" in Portuguese. I like the part about the snake.

(Makes me wonder what that snake is doing in Polish.... causing nasalization of e and rarely a, I think.)

*Yeah, Italian and Romanian are a bit different.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dadaduo

Yeah, I got confused for a really long time about the incorrect "e" accent thinking it is the correct version. Let's try more accents!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fer.sc

what's more I once typed "voçé" by mistake and is was accepted as correct!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/G.P.Niers

When I left off the accent, the system did complain. Is this fixed now, or is it a one-way error?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pacperse

Same for me. Come on duolingo, get your act together.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/vivisaurus

Hi ryanwsmith! I've noticed that Duolingo seems to accept any accent you put on the letter. It can detect whether you put an accent on, and it can detect if you forget to put an accent on the letter, but I don't think it can detect which accent you used. It also doesn't detect punctuation. If I'm right, if you're supposed to write "Você come, e ela não bebe" you could get away with "Vocë come e ela nào bebe!" (and get 100% correct). I think.

So please pay attention to the "correct answer" if you used an accent, to make sure you used the right one. Even if you got the answer right. =)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/melmich91

In a romance language you do not put a comma before "e".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/vivisaurus

True. It was just an example but thanks for making that clear! =)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sckelemen

accents are recognized in duolingo; however, in early stages, you can just leave them all off.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Endverbraucher

If we continue complaining about missing quality here on Duolingo, they'll probably just lock the discussion, as they did here:

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/27967190

In other words: Forget it. Duolingo does not care about correct language teaching. And the way they deal with complaints is just ridiculous.

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