https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kanrei

Vi for both you(singular) and you(Plural) ?

I’m a little bit irritated is there just one you for both singular and plural in Esperanto? (Yeah sure in English you is the same too, but in most languages you (singular) and you (plural) are different words.)

July 16, 2015

18 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vanege

Zamenhof proposed "ci" for the singular you. You can use it. But very very few people use it, so some courses do not even teach it.

July 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/salivanto

In fact, it's more than "some courses." The only courses that do mention it in passing. Including it in a course merely serves to cause confusion.

November 1, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kanrei

Ok thanks. ^^ So did it just happened, that people didn’t use ci and just vi, or was the idea to use vi, for both?

July 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vanege

"Vi" is intended for singular and plural since the beginning of Esperanto. Later Zamenhof introduced "Ci" to facilitate the translation of works from a language that uses a special word for the singular "Vi". Source : https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronomo#Vi_kaj_ci

July 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kanrei

Ah ok thanks. ^^

July 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Franulele

I love Esperanto, but if I could change ONE thing, it would be Ti= you (singular) and Vi=you (plural). :)

July 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/orthohawk

the problem with "ti" would be its possessive form, "tia", which of course is identical to one of the tabelvortoj. There aren't many letters left that would not give a tabelvorto in the possessive or just are not a Fundamenta root in the first place: di wouldn't work (it's a root, so the hypothetical possessive, would be identical to the word "dia-divine"), nor would fi, ki, pi. Luckily there already exists a form: ci. It's out there available if thee chooses to use it. But beware: thee will be mocked and censured for it.....not by everyone but some who think it's their god-given right to be mean to others for no good reason.

July 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mizinamo

Ow! Ow ow ow!

If thou wantest to use "thou", thou shouldst use the correct cases and verb endings with it, forsooth!

July 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mizinamo

Dankon; tion mi ne sciis.

July 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CuriousAtanaa

Dankon. Tiuj estis tre interesaj. Sed me ne komprenas: Kial plori?

July 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/orthohawk

estas nur angla esprimo :)

July 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Franulele

Oh noooo! Eeek! I don't want to be mocked!

But I do hope that they create an Esperanto for Spanish speakers so I can reinforce my Spanish while learning Esperanto!

(Then they could create Esperanto for all languages, all languages for Esperanto speakers and we could ALL be set! But that's another discussion topic entirely!)

July 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/orthohawk

I wouldn't worry about. "those types" are usually not worth the time and effort anyway ;). If thee wants to use it, use it and nay-sayers be danged!

July 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/orthohawk

And sometimes thee gets accosted by different "those types" who think they know better than thee.........

July 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mizinamo

Ido has separate "tu" vs. "vi" - and even a formal singular "vu"!

July 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kanrei

XD If you changes things, Esperanto soon would have lot of different dialects or something, which would be against the idea of Esperanto I think.

July 16, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mizinamo

Yes, that's right - it works like English in this respect.

There is a theoretical singular form that was proposed for use in poetry, but it's never used in normal speech.

Just "vi", whether it's singular or plural, formal or informal.

July 16, 2015
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