Would you like to learn Punjabi on Duolingo?
I am opening this discussion to see if there are other people around who wish to learn Punjabi. I already know Hindi and English, and am learning French.
I recently married in a Punjabi family, and would love to speak the language. Duolingo has spoiled me for any other online learning website though, and I can't find a good one. I wish there was a Punjabi course. Do you? Let us gather some positive support for this language and get it noticed!
So I was just idly checking some Duolingo discussions, and I came across two things:
This (the original post) is recognized by Duolingo as the official post for requesting Punjabi, so if anyone is interested, please upvote the original post, as it counts:
There's currently an entry for English for Punjabi (Gurumukhi) speakers at 'Incubation Phase 1' (the very early stages).. So if anyone is able to contribute, please do do, as perhaps making a complete Punjabi to English tree may bring us one step closer to an English to Punjabi tree:
I would enjoy it a lot. I think that once the Hindi course gets finished, the other courses for Indo-Aryan languages will roll in quickly. I doubt I'm as educated about Punjabi as you are, so I'll ask, which script would it be written in? I know it uses Devanagari, the Arabic script, as well as its own Gurmukhi, but I don't know which one is most commonly used.
I hope both options are eventually available. But personally, I hope the Gurmukhi script is used for Punjabi, as the Shahmukhi script would make it more similar to Urdu, should that course ever get started on Duolingo. Anyone who knows the Urdu or Persian (or to an extent, the Arabic) script, and understands the Punjabi Language, may be able to write Shahmukhi with relative ease.
But that's just my personal opinion, it's possible that Duolingo may opt for whichever choice proves most popular in the end.
Lahnda is not a register of Punjabi, it's a group of dialects which are transitional between Punjabi and Sindhi. Historically they've not been written but lately there's been a bit of production in Saraiki and Hindko. No one in Pakistan is even conscious of speaking such a "Lahnda", everyone says they speak Saraiki, Hindko, Potohari or Pahari. Punjabi has a huge literary tradition in Shahmukhi (Perso-Arabic), but nowadays Urdu is the only official language of Pakistan so this tradition has been broken to an extent as most Punjabi-speakers are only literate in Urdu (as well as English many cases).
Most people in the Punjab province of Pakistan don't speak Lahnda, but Punjabi (the dialect of Lahore belongs to the same Majhi group as the one in Amritsar). People who speak "Lahnda" dialects live in the less densely populated parts of the province -- there are 20 million Saraikis living in the south and west of the province compared to around 75 million Punjabis in the heavily populated north-east (the area around Lahore). Then there are Hindko and Pahari-Potohari which only have a couple of million speakers each.
If there was a Gurmukhi course it would be very simple to convert it to Shahmukhi. There are even programs that do this automatically, all you'd then need is for someone literate in Shahmukhi to comb through the text for errors and to eliminate overly Sanskritic vocabulary that isn't in use among Punjabi Muslims.
I am pretty fluent in Punjabi using the Gurmukhi script but it is easy to forget words that do not arise in everyday language as much (such as animals, for instance). Additionally, especially as the Punjabi spoken in Pakistan uses more Arabic/Persian loan-words, I know that I would definitely benefit from a Punjabi course here on Duolingo.
If this course were both in Shahmukhi and Gurmukhi, it would be an added bonus in that I could learn the Shahmukhi equivalent while my brother, for instance, benefitted from adding on to his very small knowledge of Gurmukhi.
As others have pointed out also, Punjabi is currently taught in "Sunday schools" as well as in high schools (in certain parts of Canada, anyway) for credit. However, it is sometimes inconvenient or frustrating to learn in such a setting. Having used both aforementioned schools, before, I do speak from experience.
Furthermore, Punjabi was the 10th most widely spoken language in the world in 2015 (according to Wikipedia) with over 100 million native speakers. And yet, trying to learn it online can be quite a hurdle, as Faith.Worth points out.
Regardless, I really do hope that this language is added to Duolingo's ever-growing number of languages soon.
Meanwhile, I'll just continue taking advantage of the language courses that Duolingo does have. :3
I live in the UK and here it is the second most spoken language after English of course.There definitely is a huge demand for Panjabi. Both from the general and the Asian Panjabi communities. Panjabi children are being deprived of their language and as such English has become their first language. No problem with that since we live in UK. However if Panjabi was spoken more widely- it would most certainly improve cultural relations and improve integration. It is very rich in it's pronounciation having 35 letters in it's alphabet. yes I would love to see Panjabi offered by duolingo. I am currently learning Spanish.
Yes. Punjabi written in Gurmukhi is very much needed! I am half Punjabi and would really like to learn the language but I can't pick it up just from hearing movies and some family speaking. I can understand some but am no where near fluent, so a course would help immensely. Cant wait till there is a Punjabi course available! I think it would be popular.
This would be fantastic. There are many, many second-generation Punjabi-Americans who would love to sharpen their Punjabi. Not to mention, for Sikhs (of which there are many in English-speaking countries), learning Punjabi is important in understanding gurbani (scripture) and participating at gurdwaras.
It never really entered my mind to learn Punjabi, but ever since the YouTube iiSuperwomanii claimed she had known it, and with interest of perhaps looking into Bollywood drama. I would not mind others or myself having access to such a cool language. In fact, the other day I found a newspaper and saw Punjabi written on it. I had not known what language it was at the time so I searched for it and finally found out what it was and I thought it looked so beautiful and how tragic it was that I had not know what it was right away. I would love for Punjabi to be a part of Duolingo for that reason, to educate more people and open more doors. Especially now that I am constantly having more and more Indian-Punjabi people entering my friend group. :)
Would be awesome! Would be sweet knowing the meaning behind all the names of Punjabi food in the native language!
Punjabi is a very important language with many native speakers in India and Pakistan. It is one of the most spoken languages in the world and there are many Punjabi speaking immigrants in Canada, UK and the United States. Therefore, since I live in Canada, I would definitely learn Punjabi if it ever came on Duolingo
I would love to learn Punjabi because many of my friends come from Punjab in India and/or speak Punjabi. I myself am a white British female and I think that Punjab culture and language needs more awareness. Until a few days ago I knew nothing of the culture, and I have been friends with them for years. I think that more appreciation of this relatively unknown culture and language throughout the white communities is definitely needed.
I am a Punjabi speaker and would be happy to review beta version.
It is much much easier to find materials written in Gurmukhi (script used in India / among Punjabis from India). However, numerically there are more speakers in Pakistan, where Punjabi would be written in Nastaliq style of Arabic script. It would be beneficial to have more resources to learn in Arabic script, however, Punjabi is written infrequently in Pakistan outside of material like poetry and song. Even having a newspaper in Punjabi is a relatively recent thing, and spelling is far from standardized. Transliterating from Gurmukhi to Arabic script is not consistent, either. I am currently working through the Punjabi course on Mango Languages, which is a Pakistani version, and there are a lot of spelling inconsistencies. Also, although ostensibly it is Majhi dialect, they are pronouncing one of the tones differently from the way it is pronounced in India. Writers of Punjabi in Pakistan are undecided as to how to represent certain sounds of the language. For example, sometimes they write /nahīṁ/ ("no"). In Punjabi pronunciation, the /h/ indicated a tone but is not pronounced per se. So sometimes they write /na'īṁ/.
people need to learn their langues and punjabi is one of them and might be the well known culture
I would definitely like to see Panjabi added to Duolingo. There are Sikh Sunday schools at a large scale across the world (especially big in Canada, UK, USA, Australia) that are working very very hard to teach Panjabi as a second language to the native kids. This would be a HUGE help to them and will go viral very soon!
To be honest, the resources for teaching Punjabi are not very developed compared to other languages. There are few models to go on that the "amateur" creators of Duolingo lessons can draw on. Less standardization. The first obstacle to overcome is to decide on the script. I've found that most speakers of Punjabi are more or less uneducated in formal grammar or even spelling. I don't say this to insult them, not at all. But aside from people who went to college and took their courses in Punjabi (at places like Patiala), Punjabi speakers don't get enough exposure to written Punjabi in a standard form, upon which basis to teach. Punjabi speakers outside of Punjab are totally fluent in speaking, and they might learn, for example, the Gurmukhi alphabet, but once you ask them to write there are so many mistakes. They get more exposure to correctly written Hindi, Urdu, and English than they do to Punjabi. It's the kind of educational experience you need from reading a lot in Punjabi. Again, I am not commenting on the intelligence of these individuals; they are amazing, and usually know multiple languages. It's just that one thing they don't get enough exposure to -- standardized, written language -- that makes the pool of potential Punjabi course creators small. I taught Punjabi for several years to students including many whose parents' language or very first language is Punjabi. And I see a lot of language that native speakers write on-line, so that's where my perspective/observations come from.
yes I also find Punjabi courses just for checking online, where my native language Punjabi teach online but single tutorial i did not find. there is a lack of interest in teaching Punjabi. that is so bad for my beautiful language. I really thankful if doulingo start teaching Punjabi in their courses.
I am dating a Punjabi guy and am DYING to learn it fluently. I was starting to learn Hindi on here as an alternative but really want to learn Punjabi on here. It's such a helpful app and gets you excited about learning. No other app like it. Please add Punjabi to the languages list!
im currently exposing myself to alot of different languages (or trying to lol ) and i really wish there was a course for this because i recently got a new job and the entire staff speak punjabi and although we communicate fine with english it would be so cool to talk in their native language
I'm glad to see that it's in the incubator. I'm looking forward to being able to speak this language. https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/en/pa/status
I think its kinda strange that they've developed languages like welsh which have less than a million native speakers before Punjabi, which has nearly 100 million. I understand that lots of people would want to learn the conlangs, like high valyrian and klingon, making them viable financially, but surely there is a huge market for indian languages, considering its population, the diaspora and emerging economic potential.
I Will definitely a Punjabi course on Duolingo I have learnt Hindi through the Duolingo app and I like the way Duolingo learns you the language. The Punjabi course (I mean the northern Indian punjabi) would be nice to have the gurumaki script. But if it’s easier a Punjabi course in Latin script would be appreciated because I want to speak and understand it and to read and write would be extra!
If you are familiar with the Gurmukhi script as well as fluent in English.. Perhaps, you could qualify as a contributor here:
They're done with about 20% of the English for Punjabi (Gurmukhi) speakers course.. Perhaps on completion, the reverse tree, i.e. Punjabi for English speakers could be closer to becoming a reality as well.
Fours years later, and still nothing. Give the people what they want, Duolingo! Don’t get me wrong, I am so, so grateful for what you have already offered—but don’t cut corners, and make it as short as the Hindi course. Saying that, Hindi should be revised and be at the same level as Mandarin
I wish Duolingo to add a Punjabi course too. Punjabi is the language that I interested in. I see many posts ask Duolingo to add this language. But Punjabi still not available even most of the posts were created 4-5 years ago like this one. Therefore, I try to find other sources to learn Punjabi, and I found the app called 'Ling', I'm so happy that this app has a Punjabi course. Ling can be an alternative to Duolingo because you will learn by playing games similar to Duolingo. You can try here: https://ling-app.com/ (has both browser and app version)
I won't be using it because I already know Punjabi and it will take too much of my time to check all of their work for them! :) But I think it's ok and you should use it. I have posted many times explaining why I think we don't have Punjabi on Duo and why it's hard to find "apps" to learn it. I used to teach Punjabi in university, so I understand what the status is, of teaching Punjabi in the world. Some people assume it is equal to adding any language on Duo, but it's not. So my advice is simply use Ling and any other app you can find. You will definitely learn something even if it's not perfect. My other advice is to start learning Hindi or Urdu first, if your preference is for apps, and then after that teach yourself Punjabi from other sources. Because Punjabi is about 88% the same as Hindi, and there are so many more professional sources to learn Hindi already. I actually learned Hindi/Urdu before Punjabi (though it was before apps existed). The main things the apps offer is 1) practice getting the grammar forms practiced and 2) building basic vocabulary. Since grammar of Punjabi is 90+% same as Hindi, and much of the basic vocabulary is the same, you can start with Hindi. The biggest difference between Hindi and Indian Punjabi is the writing... but I don't think apps teach writing very well. Pakistani Punjabi and Urdu have same writing, so if you want to learn Urdu first, then reading Punjabi will be no problem. Mango Languages has a good course in Punjabi written Pakistani way.
Nor do the apps teach speaking well.
Also, anybody who speaks Punjabi will understand if you speak to them in Hindi/Urdu. There is a special challenge to getting Punjabi speakers to let you speak Punjabi with them. It is like (I don't know if you will get this example) if you want to speak to Black people in the US in African American English. You just have to learn Standard English first, then you can build on that to figure out the African American dialect.
I am doing similar thing. I wanted to learn Cantonese, but the resources are few and not so good. So I started learning Mandarin. I will get the "feeling" of "Chinese" in my brain first, from the great mandarin resources, and then someday when I try Cantonese it will be easier to figure out Cantonese lessons.
If you have any questions about Punjabi, you can just ask me here.
First tip: The Ling lessons don't pronounce the "h" correctly. In Punjabi, except at the beginning of a word, you shouldn't pronounce H. It is written to show tone. (Tone like in Chinese. Punjabi is the only tonal Indian language.) So for example, the Ling lesson has tuhāḍā ("your"), and they pronounce H. But it should really sound like "tuaada" with the voice rising up.
I am fluent in Punjabi and would seriously like to contribute in any way to get this language up and running in duolingo as most individuals are familiar with duolingo. It's being used is schools as well which makes it easier to get kids to sign up so that they can learn a language that their grandparents, parents and extended family speak. I know that it would be very beneficial for it to be added. But I can see this request was made maybe 5 years ago ....not sure why it hasn't been added yet. :-(
I would love to learn Punjabi! My parents are native speakers, but I can't get the hang of it. I always get teased because of my poor Punjabi, but nobody really gives me a chance to learn it. I hope Duolingo adds a Punjabi course, then I--and many others--will be able to speak and write in it.
This is the tenth most spoken language in the world, yet online there are little to no solid and free ways to learn it. I'd be thrilled if they added a Punjabi course, and I think that a lot of other people would be as well. Hoping that a team forms and works to make this happen!
I really want to learn punjabi too!! Both of my parents can speak it fluently and I can't. It is the 10th most-spoken language in the world yet duolingo still doesn't have a course for it.
@Tracy382545 Punjabi is not a dialect of Hindi, but the two are closely related "sister" languages. If you want to learn it, why not learn Hindi? The sound and flow of Punjabi is something one has to really work at. It's like, I dunno, African American Vernacular English. Better to learn Standard US English first, then work on AAVE. Learn Hindi and then work on Punjabi.
@Cheshire914807 I don't mean to pry, but where do you live? Maybe there is a local option.
The path to learning Punjabi is not as clear and straight as for most of the Duolingo languages. Trust me, I know.
Shall I wager your fiancé is Sikh? If so, I'd recommend learning to read/write Gurmukhi script from someone connected with the family's gurdwara. Even if they are poor teachers, they will be able to teach it better than Duo would.
With that piece covered, learn the grammar of Punjabi by... studying Hindi on Duolingo! Hindi and Punjabi are 90% similar to one another. In fact, if you speak Hindi (the common dialect, taught on Duo) they will understand 100% of what you say.
Lastly, get a book to learn Punjabi. Try "An Introduction to Punjabi," published by Punjabi University Patiala. The book alone won't teach you Punjabi, of course. What you'll be doing at that point is studying to see how to tweak your Hindi and make it into Punjabi. This isn't as crazy as it sounds. Most Punjabi speakers know both Punjabi and Hindi/Urdu to an extent, and they are able to make those tweaks to move back and forth. You might but saying, "But no! I just want to learn Punjabi! I don't want to waste time with another language!" Sorry. It doesn't work that way. See, there is a reason why there are not more accessible resources for learning Punjabi; they are complicated. You don't just get handed a convenient thing like Duolingo and learn Punjabi. You just don't. This thread has been going on for ages and people point out that Punjabi has X number of speakers so "why isn't there a Duo course?" etc. I know exactly why there isn't a course, why there probably won't be one soon, and why even when/if there is, it won't be satisfactory... but it's way too complicated to explain concisely. If you're going to learn, and you're not going to take a class, then follow my method:
Learn to read Gurmukhi. It's one of the easiest Indian scripts, and you'll need it so you can access information in sources and to understand how to pronounce properly.
Study Hindi with free apps.
Study Punjabi with free/cheap grammar books, comparing it to Hindi.
I live in Canada.. but from what the native Hindi speakers who have learnt Punjabi have told me - I can tell u that they are still two different languages :) Secondly- there is a Pimsleur course if ur willing to pay the money. 3rdly - duolingo teaches the basics - not a comprehensive understanding. That’s all I’m after.
Yes, they are two different languages. I speak both. But they are 90% similar. People's perception of difference is exaggerated due to identity politics. In practice, Native Hindi speakers will have more trouble with Punjabi, whereas Punjabi speakers have less trouble with Hindi because they are exposed to it. The person said they didn't want to pay for something like Pimsleur. I really love Punjabi most, and I was a co-author of a textbook for learning Punjabi. But my opinion stands that if someone is wanting to learn Punjabi in the sort of casual, relatively passive way associated with computer programs -- if someone is not committed to taking an actual classroom course in Punjabi -- then their best bet is to approach Punjabi through Hindi. You will get a basic understanding of Punjabi if you study Hindi on Duolingo. The biggest difference you'll experience in negotiating the two languages is the writing system and the pronunciation -- yet Duolingo does not do a good job teaching either of those things. Duolingo is a tool that helps us build vocabulary and get comfortable with grammar and syntax, which are 90% similar. Once you get to the stage where real language learning takes place -- talking to people -- if you don't "look" Punjabi then more often than not the Punjabi speaker will talk back to you in Hindi. Until you get to the stage where you can already speak good Punjabi, the people you talk to will tend to assume you are trying to speak Hindi or they will think you will understand better if they speak in Hindi. So, it helps to know Hindi to be able to recognize what is going on.
I am in a similar situation right now because I wanted to learn Cantonese, however there are some challenges to accessing resources. So, I am learning Mandarin and at some point in the future I will build off my Mandarin skills to learn Cantonese. The key thing right now is to train my mind to think in a "Chinese" way, which I can do with the many Mandarin resources. If you have any specific questions about Punjabi, I can answer them.
I would love to learn Punjabi, it was actually my first language but I lost all confidence speaking it (my granny used to giggle at my VERY English accent). I can understand it but find getting the words out in the right order difficult. I can also read and write it but takes a looong time!!! Would be great to get my confidence back and shock my parents with near perfect Punjabi (in an English accent of course!!)
Same, it is my mother tongue, and I can still understand it without difficulty, as it is spoken in my home, though not by me.. But my grammar and pronounciation is always broken, and my cousins (who live in the village and are more fluent) have made fun of me for trying to speak it, so I feel shy speaking it..
I hope the course gets offered soon (I saw a Punjabi to English course in the incubator, but it seems to be in the very early stages), as I would like to be able to learn it systematically, as well as read and write the original Gurmukhi script.
Chunga hovay, je' assi sikhiyeh
Yes I would love for the language Punjabi to be added in Duolingo as I am currently learning the alphabets!! This course is necessary for me lol. I feel left out since I’m the only one in my family who doesn’t know how to read and write :( I mix up English and Punjabi because I’m not fluent...
This would be really useful for me not making myself out to be a total ❤❤❤❤❤❤ to various Punjabi people I know down here. Prolly only mostly an ❤❤❤❤❤❤ or just "generally an ❤❤❤❤❤❤"--as oppose to "totally an ❤❤❤❤❤❤"
I would try to target for "not an ❤❤❤❤❤❤ at all"... but I think I should keep my goals somewhat realistic.
So yeah... upvoted.
I would love to learn Panjabi. Panjabi MCcus one artist that makes cool songs. I wish to understand them better. Being from NY there are SO MANY dialects from India I hear in my daily travels. Urdu, Pashtu and Panjabi will be great additions to Duolingo as these people’s are being noticed more and they GREATLY have contributed to our daily lives.