Would you like to learn Punjabi on Duolingo?
I am opening this discussion to see if there are other people around who wish to learn Punjabi. I already know Hindi and English, and am learning French.
I recently married in a Punjabi family, and would love to speak the language. Duolingo has spoiled me for any other online learning website though, and I can't find a good one. I wish there was a Punjabi course. Do you? Let us gather some positive support for this language and get it noticed!
It's one of the languages I'm really interested in. Being half Punjabi and American I really want to be able to connect with my Punjabi side in a more fluid way. I can understand Punjabi almost fluently, speaking and reading however is a completely different matter ^-^.
I would love to learn Punjabi! My parents are native speakers, but I can't get the hang of it. I always get teased because of my poor Punjabi, but nobody really gives me a chance to learn it. I hope Duolingo adds a Punjabi course, then I--and many others--will be able to speak and write in it.
Same for me. And there aren't any adequate programs for kids of native speakers :P
I still get teased for it now!! What will happen to the next generation? the language will die.
I do too! Practically my dads whole family can speak Punjabi, and i would love to be able to make communicating with them easier!
Same here - my mum's family speaks Punjabi, but I never learnt, so if I could learn Punjabi, I would be able to speak with family members who only speak basic English much better than I can now
I would enjoy it a lot. I think that once the Hindi course gets finished, the other courses for Indo-Aryan languages will roll in quickly. I doubt I'm as educated about Punjabi as you are, so I'll ask, which script would it be written in? I know it uses Devanagari, the Arabic script, as well as its own Gurmukhi, but I don't know which one is most commonly used.
Gurmukhi is the one that Punjabi should be written in, officially. But it can also be expressed in Devnagri, if need be, because they are both phonetic languages. I am learning Punjabi now, but it is very tough because Duolingo spoiled me.
Perhaps there will be a drop-down menu from which to select our own script preference. (I'd rather have Gurumukhi.) Duolingo can do anything, and they could do this!
I’m seeing them remove feature in the app. My guess to keep download size accessible... until apple allows larger mobile downloads I don’t see the features of the app increasing much... have you noticed similar.
Punjabi shall look good in Gurumukhi. After all, Punjabi has a register called 'Lahnda' which is spoken in Pakistan and written in its Shahmukhi (Arabic like script).
Lahnda is not a register of Punjabi, it's a group of dialects which are transitional between Punjabi and Sindhi. Historically they've not been written but lately there's been a bit of production in Saraiki and Hindko. No one in Pakistan is even conscious of speaking such a "Lahnda", everyone says they speak Saraiki, Hindko, Potohari or Pahari. Punjabi has a huge literary tradition in Shahmukhi (Perso-Arabic), but nowadays Urdu is the only official language of Pakistan so this tradition has been broken to an extent as most Punjabi-speakers are only literate in Urdu (as well as English many cases).
Most people in the Punjab province of Pakistan don't speak Lahnda, but Punjabi (the dialect of Lahore belongs to the same Majhi group as the one in Amritsar). People who speak "Lahnda" dialects live in the less densely populated parts of the province -- there are 20 million Saraikis living in the south and west of the province compared to around 75 million Punjabis in the heavily populated north-east (the area around Lahore). Then there are Hindko and Pahari-Potohari which only have a couple of million speakers each.
I believe it should be in the Shahmukhi Script as the Punjabi language is spoken the most (in Pakistan), but, in the end, it doesn't matter, as it can easily be switched around one way or the other.
Punjab is spoken most in Pakistan... but it is WRITTEN most in India. Let's be honest. Pakistan in general has little respect for Punjabi. The people of Pakistan's Punjab province send their kids to school to learn in Urdu. They treat Punjabi as a country bumpkin language, with ONE exception: they have respect for the poets who have written in Punjabi. When it comes time to read/write the words of these poets, we see them in so-called Shahmukhi (so-called because it took the efforts of promoters of pan-Punjabi nationalism, led by Indian Punjabis, to give a new name to Punjabi in Arabic alphabet in hopes of raising its profile). But then people just read it like dialect writing, like "dood, wassup?"—as if it's merely colloquial (or worse, slang) version of "proper" language (Urdu). If you are reading me correctly, you can tell I am not speaking with disrespect about Punjabi in Pakistan, but rather lamenting... and observing the reality. This reality means that Punjabi in Arabic alphabet still has a way to go before consistency, much less standardization. Even when the writing does get standardized for a course, where will the learner apply this skill? To read the 1 or 2 newspapers that print in Punjabi (and find the text littered with high-level Arabicized-Urdu terms)? To read Bulleh Shah (and find his language to be more Multani dialect than they learned)? I'm not against a course in Shahmukhi, but I find it highly unlikely there would be one. What we can hope for, however, is a course in Gurmukhi that is not partisan. Without checks and balances, the course would likely be written by Sikhs, some of whom seem to have no clue that there are more Muslims and Hindus in the world speaking Punjabi, so they fill it with "sat sri akaal", lol.
N.B. Mango Languages has their course in Punjabi in Shahmukhi. I have used some of it to review and see what sorts of vocab/phrases are more Western compared to Eastern. However, the course has a lot of mistakes, and I wouldn't be able to learn from it if I didn't already know the language. The pronunciation is often bad, too, as the speakers read words as if they are Urdu—probably again because their experience in life has always been to connect reading/writing with Urdu, and if they are reading texts it's as if to articulate it "properly" they think they need to use Urdu phonology.
I cannot argue with that(actually, I can, but I know you're right.) You're completely correct.
I think they should start with gurmukhi bc thats the og punjabi script but theres stuff that can transliterate into shahmukhi. i dont think devnagri should b used for punjabi tho
If there was a Gurmukhi course it would be very simple to convert it to Shahmukhi. There are even programs that do this automatically, all you'd then need is for someone literate in Shahmukhi to comb through the text for errors and to eliminate overly Sanskritic vocabulary that isn't in use among Punjabi Muslims.
They should do Indian Punjabi in Gurmukhi and Pakistani Punjabi in Shahmurkhi
I am pretty fluent in Punjabi using the Gurmukhi script but it is easy to forget words that do not arise in everyday language as much (such as animals, for instance). Additionally, especially as the Punjabi spoken in Pakistan uses more Arabic/Persian loan-words, I know that I would definitely benefit from a Punjabi course here on Duolingo.
If this course were both in Shahmukhi and Gurmukhi, it would be an added bonus in that I could learn the Shahmukhi equivalent while my brother, for instance, benefitted from adding on to his very small knowledge of Gurmukhi.
As others have pointed out also, Punjabi is currently taught in "Sunday schools" as well as in high schools (in certain parts of Canada, anyway) for credit. However, it is sometimes inconvenient or frustrating to learn in such a setting. Having used both aforementioned schools, before, I do speak from experience.
Furthermore, Punjabi was the 10th most widely spoken language in the world in 2015 (according to Wikipedia) with over 100 million native speakers. And yet, trying to learn it online can be quite a hurdle, as Faith.Worth points out.
Regardless, I really do hope that this language is added to Duolingo's ever-growing number of languages soon.
Meanwhile, I'll just continue taking advantage of the language courses that Duolingo does have. :3
I would learn it! My classmate speaks Hindi but she knows more Punjabi than Hindi! :D
Mango has a Punjabi course. I can't tell how good it is since I quit immediately because it didn't use the script I wanted to learn. I like the other Mango courses I've tried, though.
There was talk of a Punjabi course, with people submitting to the incubator. But it's been months and none of them have updated :/
I for one would love a Punjabi course! My close family (although all Punjabi) have limited Punjabi language abilities, so I barely know anything. It would really help get closer to my extended family too (who are very fluent)!
I would really like this. I have several native speaking friends, and I would be thrilled to be able to surprise them with a small bit of their first language.
I would lov to do a course in Punjabi and if there is a possibility of a Punjabi course, it should be in Gurmukhi
I would love to learn Punjabi on Duolingo. However, if there's a Punjabi course, it should be in Gurmukhi. I would certainly enrol for it without hesitation.
I would love to see a Punjabi course on this website! :D I would love to learn Hindi too, however I am considering starting with Punjabi before moving onto any other Indian languages.
I live in the UK and here it is the second most spoken language after English of course.There definitely is a huge demand for Panjabi. Both from the general and the Asian Panjabi communities. Panjabi children are being deprived of their language and as such English has become their first language. No problem with that since we live in UK. However if Panjabi was spoken more widely- it would most certainly improve cultural relations and improve integration. It is very rich in it's pronounciation having 35 letters in it's alphabet. yes I would love to see Panjabi offered by duolingo. I am currently learning Spanish.
I also am from the Uk and you can hear Punjabi spoken by many people. It is a language that is rich in culture and has a big music industry which can again help and encourage native speakers to take it up.
Would be awesome! Would be sweet knowing the meaning behind all the names of Punjabi food in the native language!
we should learn to speak punjabi
I would love to learn Punjabi. I have a new student in my class and no one at my school speaks the language. It would be incredibly helpful to me as a teacher to know some Punjabi so I can ease her transition into our country.
I'd like to see a Punjabi course. I am willing to contribute to it, as well!
I think it would be a great addition to the language list. I know many people who speak it and I would like to communicate with them in their native language.
YES!! I would LOVE it if Duolingo offered Punjabi. Please please let this happen!!
Yes, please add a Punjabi course. It would be very worth my time. I have many friends and work relations who are Punjabi speaking and it would be of unbelievable value to have a professional-level course in Punjabi available through a site like DuoLingo.
Yes. Punjabi written in Gurmukhi is very much needed! I am half Punjabi and would really like to learn the language but I can't pick it up just from hearing movies and some family speaking. I can understand some but am no where near fluent, so a course would help immensely. Cant wait till there is a Punjabi course available! I think it would be popular.
Punjabi is a very important language with many native speakers in India and Pakistan. It is one of the most spoken languages in the world and there are many Punjabi speaking immigrants in Canada, UK and the United States. Therefore, since I live in Canada, I would definitely learn Punjabi if it ever came on Duolingo
Yes I am a Punjabi speaker but i would like to get more confident and develop my fluency in it
Would love to see Punjabi, personally. Only Aryan language to be tonal to my knowledge, so unique and interesting.
As a language enthusiast, I'd love to have Punjabi on Duolingo. Considering how widely it is spoken and written, it is worth learning.
Yes, I would like to have Punjabi on duolingo so my husband can learn to speak to my family!
This would be fantastic. There are many, many second-generation Punjabi-Americans who would love to sharpen their Punjabi. Not to mention, for Sikhs (of which there are many in English-speaking countries), learning Punjabi is important in understanding gurbani (scripture) and participating at gurdwaras.
I'm glad to see that it's in the incubator. I'm looking forward to being able to speak this language. https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/en/pa/status
I would love to learn Punjabi it would be amazing if they included it. Duolingo is amazing and it I am sure there are lots more keen learners!
I would love to learn Punjabi because many of my friends come from Punjab in India and/or speak Punjabi. I myself am a white British female and I think that Punjab culture and language needs more awareness. Until a few days ago I knew nothing of the culture, and I have been friends with them for years. I think that more appreciation of this relatively unknown culture and language throughout the white communities is definitely needed.
Yes! I admire the Sikh religion and would like very much to be able to communicate with them in their native language.
I have no intention of learning it but I'm always for adding more languages to this site.
Personally I would like to see all of the major languages of the Indian subcontinent. Imagine if we had Hindi, Urdu, Punjabi, Tamil, Telugu, Bengali, Marathi, and maybe others someday.
Urdu? That's so similar to Hindu and duolingo doesn't even have arabic yet.
people need to learn their langues and punjabi is one of them and might be the well known culture
It’s the second most common immigrant language in the UK (no. 1 is Polish), and Sikh scripture was written in it. It should be here.
It never really entered my mind to learn Punjabi, but ever since the YouTube iiSuperwomanii claimed she had known it, and with interest of perhaps looking into Bollywood drama. I would not mind others or myself having access to such a cool language. In fact, the other day I found a newspaper and saw Punjabi written on it. I had not known what language it was at the time so I searched for it and finally found out what it was and I thought it looked so beautiful and how tragic it was that I had not know what it was right away. I would love for Punjabi to be a part of Duolingo for that reason, to educate more people and open more doors. Especially now that I am constantly having more and more Indian-Punjabi people entering my friend group. :)
I would definitely like to see Panjabi added to Duolingo. There are Sikh Sunday schools at a large scale across the world (especially big in Canada, UK, USA, Australia) that are working very very hard to teach Panjabi as a second language to the native kids. This would be a HUGE help to them and will go viral very soon!
I noticed that you said Canada first. Do you by any chance live in Canada?
I am a Punjabi speaker and would be happy to review beta version.
It is much much easier to find materials written in Gurmukhi (script used in India / among Punjabis from India). However, numerically there are more speakers in Pakistan, where Punjabi would be written in Nastaliq style of Arabic script. It would be beneficial to have more resources to learn in Arabic script, however, Punjabi is written infrequently in Pakistan outside of material like poetry and song. Even having a newspaper in Punjabi is a relatively recent thing, and spelling is far from standardized. Transliterating from Gurmukhi to Arabic script is not consistent, either. I am currently working through the Punjabi course on Mango Languages, which is a Pakistani version, and there are a lot of spelling inconsistencies. Also, although ostensibly it is Majhi dialect, they are pronouncing one of the tones differently from the way it is pronounced in India. Writers of Punjabi in Pakistan are undecided as to how to represent certain sounds of the language. For example, sometimes they write /nahīṁ/ ("no"). In Punjabi pronunciation, the /h/ indicated a tone but is not pronounced per se. So sometimes they write /na'īṁ/.
How do we get more traction on this? I am Punjabi myself but didn't grow up speaking the language, and it's difficult to find resources elsewhere on this language. How can we support this to become an available language??
Since, you already know Hindi, Punjabi will not be much difficult to you. You can learn through any resource available on net. You just need to push a little and it will be simple.
i would like to see you help contribute to the hindi team first. If you know hindi too. i think it would help since it looks like only one contributor! I would like to learn punjabi b4 bengali or urdu though
Hey y'all I'd love to be able to learn Punbaji on Duolingo! It's the only surviving tonal language in the whole Indo-European family. How cool is that? So I need to learn it, and Duolingo just makes everything so easy =]
im currently exposing myself to alot of different languages (or trying to lol ) and i really wish there was a course for this because i recently got a new job and the entire staff speak punjabi and although we communicate fine with english it would be so cool to talk in their native language
Yes I believe having the major languages of the Indian subcontinent would attract more users.
I would very much like duolingo to have Punjab. I work in a very highly populated area of Indian / Punjab people and cannot find an adequate program that does teach this language.
Punjabi is a language with an extremely high number of native speakers. I have noticed that languages from the Indian Subcontinent are underrepresented on Duolingo
YES! I would love to learn Punjabi (and Hindi if they ever hurry up and launch the course!) I can't really explain why I'm so drawn to it, but it's really a cool language! I'd be first in line to learn it if they'd develop the course!
I would love to learn Punjabi with Duolingo. Many of my close friends speak the language fluently and I hate for them to have to translate for me when their family members speak to me or make a funny joke. I would definitely learn Punjabi if it were offered on Duolingo.
I would love a Punjabi course. There's many people welcoming me into cultural beliefs and circles, and it'd nice to know the basics at least...
I think its kinda strange that they've developed languages like welsh which have less than a million native speakers before Punjabi, which has nearly 100 million. I understand that lots of people would want to learn the conlangs, like high valyrian and klingon, making them viable financially, but surely there is a huge market for indian languages, considering its population, the diaspora and emerging economic potential.
This is the tenth most spoken language in the world, yet online there are little to no solid and free ways to learn it. I'd be thrilled if they added a Punjabi course, and I think that a lot of other people would be as well. Hoping that a team forms and works to make this happen!
This would be really useful for me not making myself out to be a total ❤❤❤❤❤❤ to various Punjabi people I know down here. Prolly only mostly an ❤❤❤❤❤❤ or just "generally an ❤❤❤❤❤❤"--as oppose to "totally an ❤❤❤❤❤❤"
I would try to target for "not an ❤❤❤❤❤❤ at all"... but I think I should keep my goals somewhat realistic.
So yeah... upvoted.
Definitely. I want to learn to where I live a lot of people speak Punjabi, learning it would even open up job opportunities for me.
Yup. I have close neighbours whose first language is Punjabi, I'd love to learn
I am also marrying into a Punjabi family and would love to learn the language!
YES I want Duolingo to have Punjabi. I help Punjabi students at a high school and I am so interested in learning their language so I can connect with them more.
I would love to learn Panjabi. Panjabi MCcus one artist that makes cool songs. I wish to understand them better. Being from NY there are SO MANY dialects from India I hear in my daily travels. Urdu, Pashtu and Panjabi will be great additions to Duolingo as these people’s are being noticed more and they GREATLY have contributed to our daily lives.
I married into a Punjabi family and I want to learn the language and be able to speak it with my children.
Sat Sri akal! Mein Punjabi Sikh di ah! I'm currently learning Punjabi but without Gurmukhi or other script, just speaking or writing in English alphabet! Would love a course on Duolingo though it would be a big help!
I see that this is a really old thread, but as someone with Punjabi, Swahili, and Hindi influences over the years and with a Punjabi background, I've been waiting for Duolingo to add a course too. My Hindi is somehow stronger and I want it to be the other way around..
Yes, I am ethnically punjabi, born in Canada. Unfortunately, I never learned the language other than a few words here and there. I am currently learning French on duolingo and would love to learn Punjabi also.
I would like to see Punjabi added to DuoLingo's courses for English speakers.
I am an Indian and in love with the Punjabi language. I want to learn it on Duolingo as it's the best way to learn a language.
When is the Punjabi for English/Hindi speakers course being launched?
Sure, but personally I'd be more interested in a variety besides Standard Punjabi of which there are many resources available. Perhaps Seraiki?
Yes I love the culture and would love to learn the language. plus many of my friends speak this language.
I love the song "Bad karma" and it seems its a rare language, i want to learn it along with my Russian
yes! Please let's learn it on duolingo! I went to visit and want to go again but will need to know the language at least a little.
I would really love if they made a Punjabi course. As you said, the resources online are sparse and if it was made, I am confident it will be excellently recieved.
I'd love this. I'm half Pakistani, but my dad doesn't remember enough to teach me, and his parents passed away before I was born. I feel like learning Punjabi could really help me connect with that side of my heritage
yes I also find Punjabi courses just for checking online, where my native language Punjabi teach online but single tutorial i did not find. there is a lack of interest in teaching Punjabi. that is so bad for my beautiful language. I really thankful if doulingo start teaching Punjabi in their courses.
I Will definitely a Punjabi course on Duolingo I have learnt Hindi through the Duolingo app and I like the way Duolingo learns you the language. The Punjabi course (I mean the northern Indian punjabi) would be nice to have the gurumaki script. But if it’s easier a Punjabi course in Latin script would be appreciated because I want to speak and understand it and to read and write would be extra!
i would love to learn Punjabi. However I think it will be very difficult on Duolingo
I think a reason for there not being a huge emphasis on getting the Punjabi language onto Duolingo is because its a tonal language.
Its not easy to learn guys :(
Swedish isn't tonal like Punjabi, it has pitch accent (pitch can only change meaning in stressed syllables). Punjabi allows more than one syllable of a word to be marked for tone.
Punjabi's tonality is related to its alphabet. It is rather easier than pitch accent if you know which letters are responsible for what tone.
Yes, Punjabi's tone system isn't that difficult since there are only three tones and they are orthographically represented.