why is there no "of," for "a bottle OF wine?" Is that somehow implied by word order or something, or do we just assume that that's what it means?
Yes, I got caught with "Glas Wein" which was "glass of wine" and I had put "wine glass" which turned out to be "Weinglas".
It is similar to the Swedish cases when they like to push out "of", "on", and other prepositions. Swedish prepositions are the hardest part of the language, in my opinion.
And what's the difference between "Wein Flasche" and "Weinflashe"? Are not they interchangeable?
I would use Weinflasche, but never Wein Flasche. The object talked about is the composition of both words, so Germans combine them to one word. Now the difference between 'Eine Flasche Wein' and 'eine Weinflasche' is that the latter is talking strictly about the bottle (maybe it's empty); and in the former, there is the implied word 'of' so we're talking about the bottle and the wine in it.
Weinflasche as opposed to Wein flasche may not be quite clear, but maybe with the following example it will become a bit clearer.
Lauf Schuhe (Walk shoes) Laufschuhe (walking shoes)
The first one could be interpreted as an imperative, the second one can only be interpreted as walking shoes. German is not my native language so I am not sure if Laufschuhe is a word that is actually used, but it is the same in my native language (Dutch)
If you see the English 'walking shoes' this could either mean that the shoes are walking, or that the shoes are intended for walking. Because in German the words are joined this kind of confusion does not occur.
How on earth do you have a +430 win streak? It must take A LOT of dedication!
We must ask experts about this. But I think it is more natural for germans to use "Weinflasche". It is sufficient to look to German dictionaries to see that germans like joining two or even three words together two form new words.
I think it's because "glass [of] wine" is understood as being a glass /with/ wine, where as "Weinflasche" or anything like it is talking about a type of bottle in the same way we'd say "wineglass" in English.
A flask is a kind of bottle, but as far as I know German doesn't differentiate between the two words.
Right we have "Flaschen" und "Fläschchen"(~smaller bottles). We have chemists who have "Kolben" like "Erlenmeyerkolben" (=Erlenmeyer flasks). Thermos flasks are called "Thermoskanne" or "Thermosflasche". We have "Flachmänner". A "Flachmann" is a pocket bottle. Yeap, these are our bottles. ;)
Have I forgotten one? Feel free to add it.
I just googled each of those, and "Flachmann" appears to correspond to the English "flask" (as well as "Erlenmeyerkolben" in the context of chemistry). What do you call a plastic water bottle?
No, in general it is a "Plasteflasche" or "Plastikflasche" or "Kunststoffflasche". "Plaste" or "Plastik", that depends of the German region, where you are. "Einweg" and "Mehrweg" describe the system. A "Einwegflasche" is a one-trip bottle. A "Mehrwegflasche" is a bottle which you give back to the shop and you get money for the empty bottle. This bottle is driven with many other "Mehrwegflaschen" to a factory. There they get cleaned, controlled, checked, ... and filled. So afterwards you can buy the filled bottle. A "Mehrwegflasche" can also be made off glass.
Today there are more and more one-trip bottles. That is not good, that is the result of the deposit fee. The money you have to pay in addition is less for one-trip bottles than for multi-trip bottles. But that can only be corrected by politicians. Also the discounters have very often only one-trip bottles, because they are cheaper in production.
By the way, we call them "disposable bottles" in English. "One-way" refers to traffic.
You'd also say "Have I forgotten one?".
How would you say "bottled wine" as opposed to wine from a tap (straight from a barrel)?
I feel as if this sentence could also mean in english "A bottled wine" However I'm not sure if it is conjugated differently. I'd like to hear it answered.
I often miss the question because I try to keep the translation the same number of words as the original.
Why is Wein not the the genative or dative case? The 'of' in English denotes on or the other here, I think.
A wine bottle should be correct until you say the difference between a bottle of wine and a wine bottle
"eine Flasche Wein"/"a bottle of wine" can be full of wine and the second is only the glass bottle for wine(=Weinflasche). That is the difference. :)
Adding to this, there's an emphasis on "wine" when an American says "bottle of wine", and there's an emphasis on "bottle" for "wine bottle". However, sometimes people will use the phrase "wine bottle" to mean a bottle with wine in it (not frequently, but enough to distinguish this usage), but "bottle of wine" can never be an empty bottle.
Out of curiocity: is "Wein" genitive here? It's hard for me to tell since there is no article, but it would make sense (and explain why there is no preposition).
"wein" is not in the genitive form here. "eine Flasche" is here a measurement unit of the quantity of wine.
Actually the English grammar is inconsistent, for example you would say "100g wine". But for some reason you are saying "two bottles of wine" as if the bottles are not made of glass but of wine.
We'd actually pronounce "100g wine" as "100 grams of wine". You have to use "of" any time you define a quantity of an uncountable noun.
Neptunium is certainly correct here: in English it's [any quantity] of wine, even if you might be able to find instances where "of" is dropped in writing for brevity (a restaurant menu perhaps?).
Now, English also uses "of" in (perhaps unrelated) constructions like "a map of Europe" while in German the genitive case is used instead: "eine Karte Europas". Hence my original question about "Wein" being genitive in the above example, and I am afraid I have not been convinced by your answer. German speakers out there, please? Also, if not genitive, which case is it? "Flasche" is nominative, and having two nominative cases chained like that should hardly be an option.
Incidentally, in Russian both analogues of "eine Flasche Wein" and "eine Karte Europas" would use the genitive case for "Wein" and "Europa" (with no prepositions, just like in German). So, would it really be different in German?
Da mich margusoja gefragt hat, gebe ich auch mal meinen Senf dazu, auch wenn ich nur sagen kann, was mir in der Praxis begegnet und leider nicht, warum das so ist.
Im Deutschen ist es richtig und normal zu sagen: "Eine Flasche Wein." Analog dazu erscheinen mir folgende ebenso übliche Ausdrücke: "Ein Dutzend braune Eier", "Ein Kilo Schinken", "Eine Kiste Äpfel", "Ein Milligramm Apfel", "Drei Liter Bier", "Eine Tasse Kaffee", "Eine Handvoll Leute", "Eine Unmenge Fehler", "Ein Laster Schrott", "Zwei Wochen Urlaub", "Ein Fünkchen Hoffnung", "Fünf Hektar Wald", "Ein Barren Gold", "Ein Eimer Wasser", "Hundert Meter Hochstartseil", "Eine Schachtel Schrauben". Das Konstruktionsprinzip hier ist also "Anzahl+Maßeinheit+Substantiv im Nominativ". Wenn das Substantiv abzählbar ist, steht es meist im Plural. Wenn man von einem Milligramm Apfel spricht, geht das nicht ohne den Apfel zu zerkleinern, und dann ist er nicht mehr zählbar, also verwendet man dafür wieder den Singular.
So. Aber man kann auch sagen - und dann kommt der Genetiv ins Spiel und manches davon ist leicht gehobener Sprachgebrauch: "Eine Flasche besten Weines", "Eine Flasche des besten Weines", "Ein Dutzend brauner Eier", "Ein Kilo besten Schinkens", "Zwei Wochen meines Urlaubs", "Ein Fünckchen letzter Hoffnung", "Fünf Hektar gesunden Waldes", "Ein Barren puren Goldes", "Ein Eimer kühlen Wassers", "Eine Schachtel rostiger Schrauben".
Unüblich und vermutlich auch falsch ist zu sagen: "Eine Flasche Weines", "Ein Kilo Schinkens", "Ich verbrachte zwei Wochen Urlaubs in der Karibik". Richtig ist aber: "Ich verbrachte zwei Wochen meines Urlaubs in der Karibik." Also nur im letzten Fall ist der Genetiv ok. Aber bitte frage mich nicht, warum.
Im Deutschen befindet sich der Genetiv auf dem Rückzug. "Der Dativ ist dem Genetiv sein Tod." Auf der Straße ist der Dativ gebräuchlicher: "Eine Flasche vom besten Wein", "Ich hätte gerne ein Dutzend von den braunen Eiern.", "Ein Kilo vom besten Schinken", "Zwei Wochen von meinem Urlaub verbrachte ich in der Karibik." "Fünf Hektar vom gesunden Wald", "Ein Barren aus purem Gold", "Ein Eimer vom kühlen Wasser", "Eine Schachtel voll von den rostigen Schrauben."
Wenn du des rechten Gebrauchs des Genetivs kundig und seiner Anwendung sicher bist, erfreust du das Herz jedes Lehrers der deutschen Sprache, welches ob dieses raren Hörgenusses einen Salto macht. (In der Straßenbahn sprichst du besser nicht so, sonst kommst du noch unfreiwillig in die Klapse. ;-) )
Why is it "eine" (feminine) when "Wein" is masculine? I am assuming they aren't referring to the "flasche" because that is a measure word.
the "a" in "a bottle of wine" refers to the bottle not the wine the wine is uncountable
It is more specific, a kind of bottle and there are words for those. Please scroll up as this has been answered.
Flask is only 'a special type of bottle' in certain modern english uses, especially medical. But only connotatively! It is technically correct in English that every bottle is a flask. Though I concede that almost no one would use it that way in 'modern' English. As a native speaker, I use this word, though mostly ironically, since it 'sounds older', like 'thee' and 'thou' which are also still technically prescriptively correct, though descriptively 'outdated'. Source: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0=flask=none
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Yes. According to Wikipedia https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flasche_%28Begriffskl%C3%A4rung%29 the term "Flasche" may be also used to describe a "Versager": https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versager