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Finnish

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I wish there is Finnish for learners after the release of languages from the Northern Europe (namely Norwegian, Swedish and Danish). Though I know it is quite different Finnish from the other languages, I wish there would be a course on Finnish soon :P

July 24, 2015

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If we're getting Hungarian, it's only fair to get Finnish! :)

July 24, 2015

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If the Finnish course will be released I'll learn it just so at the end of it I could say "I finished my Finnish tree" :)

July 24, 2015

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Then your tree would be Finnished! Get it? No? Okay... :-)

July 24, 2015

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The funny thing is, I'm so used to typing Finnish, that if I try to type finish or finished now, my fingers automatically start with a capital F and put in a double n.

Now if only Finnish was here I could actually learn it properly and stop just talking about it. ;)

July 24, 2015

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Same here! :D

July 24, 2015

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Finnish rocks! A Lingot for you :-)

July 24, 2015

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I really hope Finnish will come to the incubator after Russian and Hungarian come to beta!

July 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/scarcerer
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Though preferably a lot sooner.

July 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/surky1

I'm also waiting for a Finnish course. And waiting... and waiting... and waiting. But one day, there'll be a Finnish course. Hopefully. :P

July 24, 2015

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Have some lingots while waiting :)

July 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/surky1

yay thanks :D

July 24, 2015

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Yay, Finnish mentioned! Lingots thrown here and there.

July 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/MenniPeikko

Suomi mainittu! :D

July 24, 2015

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We have a little tradition here of bestowing lingots on anyone mentioning / requesting Finnish... Ole hyvä! :-)

July 24, 2015

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Aaand here we go again... :D

July 24, 2015

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At least three times a week, going to run out of lingots at this rate

July 24, 2015

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But you see it's all about recycling... :-) The circle of lingot givers/receivers seems to have grown nicely lately!

July 24, 2015

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Truthfully I wouldn't mind spending all of my lingots promoting Finnish language anyway, they would be lingots well spent :)

July 25, 2015

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Imagine the lingot storm once Finnish is actually announced... B-)

July 25, 2015

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@lydia En minäkään! Annoin hänelle viisi lingotia/lingottia

to give to someone = antaa jollekin. And you probably gave him five whole lingots, not parts of five.

July 25, 2015

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Imagine the lingot storm once Finnish is actually announced... B-)

By that time I'll be out of lingots.... :P

dd2927a3e0

July 25, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/lydiaoxenstierna

Minäkään! Annoin häntä viittä lingotta..

(That is the most partitive sentence I have written. Was that right in any way?)

July 25, 2015

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Good job I'm on the iPad, or I'd have a thousand fewer again already :-D

July 24, 2015

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A lingot for you, let's keep the chain flowing. :)

July 24, 2015

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In that case.....Lingots for you, too! :)

July 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Mr.Quizzical

Finnish will be awesome.

You can only reply to replies of the first 6 comments. I can't add an eight on to Gluehbirneee.

July 24, 2015

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Kiitos! :D

July 24, 2015

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I agree. I'd love to see Finnish on Duolingo.

October 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/fablefact579

I want Finnish language to be taught in "Duolingo" too, by the way! I do know, though, that there are 15 cases in the language, and this is the hardest language to learn in Europe (Finland is in Scandinavian Peninsula, but Finns' language is not European, rather - it is in Finnic-Uralic language family), it doesn't stop me, however! Finnish - to me - is an interesting language for studying, because it is sophisticated.

My advice for you, Justin, is: Give it a try, and Google the phrase - "Cases of Finnish" - this is what helped me, and I found the material I need, on behalf of Finnish, frankly.

November 5, 2018

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I don't get the obsession with Finnish. I think that there are more important languages to be added first, like for example Croatian. Not to mention the elephants in the room: Chinese, Arabic and other major Asian languages. Many more people are traveling to the Adriatic Sea than to the tundra, so Croatian would probably be more useful.

Plus, Swedish is an official language of Finland so I would expect many Finns to know Swedish or English, communication wouldn't be such a problem for those interested in the other Scandinavian languages. And what I don't like about Finnish is that:

a) it's probably difficult, I'm learning Hungarian from the Finno-Ugric family and it is very difficult to learn, probably more than Chinese or Japanese if you don't take the writing system into account.

b) I can't use it to help me with learning other languages (except for Estonian which I don't plan on learning anyway; Hungarian is from the same family but so different it may as well not be) in the same way that a learning a Slavic language might, so it seems like a huge effort for very little gains. Croatian would open the door to Slovenian, Czech, Russian, and all of the Slavic languages, especially the South Slavic ones which unfortunately don't even have a representative in the Incubator at the moment, unlike the other two Slavic branches..

July 25, 2015

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Well, you just also listed the two main reasons people want to learn Finnish.

  1. It's a true challenge. It's famous for being very hard to learn. For example, there are 15 noun cases, while English has mostly lost all of its own.

  2. It's so different from all the other languages in the world. Okay, Estonian and the other Baltic languages slighty resemble Finnish, but not nearly as much as the languages spoken in Scandinavia resemble each other.

Finnish isn't for eveyone. :-) And as my father usually says when someone asks if Finnish is hard: "Finnish isn't hard. In Finland, even small children can speak it."

And just as a side note, learning to write Japanese (hiragana and katakana) isn't that hard. I learnt them all in around 2-3 weeks a couple of years ago. I haven't practiced that much since, so I can't perfectly remember all of them anymore.

July 25, 2015

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No, no, Lithuanian and Latvian are Baltic languages and part of the great Indo-European family tree; only Estonian (of the languages of those Baltic nations) is related to Finnish. ;)

(that's why Estonia and Finland are the two gray areas in Europe on this Indo-European branches map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages#/media/File:Indo-European_branches_map.png)

July 25, 2015

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Oh yeah, you're right! I just meant that there are some words that resemble each other in Finnish and Latvian and Lithuanian. :)

July 25, 2015

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That could well be what with geographic proximity. I've also found the odd German-looking word in Estonian in my minor forays into it, and if what I've heard is correct, there are some Germanic loanwords. (perhaps kartul ~ Kartoffel ??) Not enough to make it easy like say a lot of EN->ES vocab, but it's nice to see a friendly cognate to something you know once and again.

I've heard the description (from apparent Estonians and Finns) that Estonian and Finnish sound to speakers of the other a little like someone who's drunk trying to speak their language.

(I really wasn't trying to scold you, I just got a little excited.)

July 25, 2015

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While there are some obvious and many not so obvious German loan words in Estonian, I (as a learner, not a native speaker) find that the strongest influence is all those separable verbs...

Quite often, a particular Estonian verb we learn doesn't make much sense straight away (from a Finnish point of view), but once you've translated the parts into German in your head, it's simple! I don't know what the best examples would be, but right now I'm only coming up with things such as ette kujutama (vorstellen) and välja kutsuma (herausfordern).

Edit: German spelling mistake corrected...

July 26, 2015

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It's okay, gotta have the facts right. ;) That's what I think too. In some parts of Finland people say "kartohveli", which means potato. To me Estonian sounds like, well, a bit childish I guess. I don't mean to offend anybody, but I can't really take a person who speaks Estonian that seriously. I believe it's kind of the same the other way around... :D

July 25, 2015

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I can't reply to you at this point in the comment chain, but I kinda see what you mean; at this point in knowing some German, Dutch can look a little silly. (I've also heard the description that Dutch sounds like a drunken English speaker trying to speak German, though I really cannot vouch for its validity)

July 25, 2015

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  1. It's harder to teach languages with a non-Latin script. Also there are more Finnish people than Croatians. I'm also willing to bet more people would rather find a job in Finland than in Croatia. I doubt many people vacation in Croatia having a good grasp of the language.
  2. With that logic, wouldn't you expect every Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, Dutch, and German to also speak English to you? Why would anyone bother learning their language? Maybe because a lot of people want to live in those countries??
  3. What doesn't interest you doesn't mean other people aren't interested in it. There's Irish and Klingon on Duolingo. I really doubt they'd care about your specific wants and needs, or how 'useful' a language is.
July 25, 2015

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Both Finnish and Croatian use the Latin script. You might be thinking of Serbian, which is essentially the same spoken language as Croatian, but has a different literary standard and a different script, as well as some differences in vocabulary.

August 10, 2015

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Leaving the tundra, usefulness of Swedish and the English skills of popular tourist destinations aside, how come you don't like Finnish

A) because it's difficult, yet you're learning Hungarian, which is from the same family and has even more cases. Besides, difficulty of a language isn't really a reason not to add it, just look at Hungarian, Turkish, Polish etc.

B) because you can't use it to learn other languages, yet you're learning Hungarian, which doesn't have any close relatives. Finnish on the other hand has eight, even if five of those have less than 10 000 speakers.

July 25, 2015

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I am learning Hungarian because, while difficult, it would be very useful for me personally to know Hungarian: I live close to the border with Hungary. Plus, I have many Hungarian acquaintances in my own country Romania, where Hungarian is the 2nd most spoken language.

I think languages spoken by 20 million people (like Serbo-Croatian, also spoken by a neighbor of my country, so it's true that I am a bit biased and have a vested interest :) and which may be widely understood by speakers from the same language family should be prioritized over languages spoken by only about 5 million people. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Of course with exceptions made for truly endangered languages such as Mayan or even Irish.

July 25, 2015

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In some ways it's less relevant how many speakers there are of the target language, and more important to consider the demand to learn that language. Consider Irish, Esperanto, Yiddish and of course Klingon. There are obviously other driving factors like academic/linguistic interest, cultural reasons, or appealing to us, the users.

If it was strictly about numbers of speakers we would have a long list of Indian and Chinese dialects before languages like Norwegian and Danish which both have around 5m speakers also.

July 25, 2015

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Shouldn't it be kind of the opposite? I mean, yes, big languages over small ones to a certain extent but if studying one of the four Slavic languages currently on Duo means you're somewhat understood by SCBM speakers, wouldn't it make more sense to add Finnish which is incomprehensible to speakers of currently offered languages, to expand to new areas?

But like you say, needs of the many should outweigh the needs of the few (to a certain extent). And currently Finnish is among the most wanted languages. That's not to say that we shouldn't have a South Slavic language fairly soon as well because they are also quite popular.

(PS. tundra, Finland)

July 25, 2015

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Unfortunately It has been confirmed that a Finnish course will never be made. There is just not enough demand and who would want to learn such an easy language anyway?

July 25, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/ScaathReykr

I do not get the joke...

December 6, 2017

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