The sound, even played slowly, is distorted and seems to end with a consonant. I cannot hear the work "ciotola" even when I know it is correct. The recorded sound is duolingo's biggest problem, at least so far. Am I alone on this one?
I think that is a linguistic problem. I mean, I speak Spanish and actually, I understand perfectly the whole word, I can hear every letter from the word but maybe that's because I'm used to speak in a similar way than an Italian guy would.
Well said. In Italian course for Spanish-Speakers there aren't too many conplaints against the sound.
Does anyone know how this word is pronounced? It sounds like the audio somewhat says chocolate.
I would watch videos with native Italoan speakers to get it correctly pronounced.
Why is so hard for English speakers to understand simple sounds. You have tons of sounds for every written vowel, you should have a better hearing sense than me.
You can replay it , it shows right above your message. I hear perfectly la ciotola (choh-toh-lah)
At the risk of repeating myself: report mistakes. Don't bring them here. And no "bowl" and "dishes" are not the same. Hint when choosing from hover the first word is usually the right one.
Well, I'm told I made a mistake, but it involves a language issue - namely, the mouseover dropdown includes " dish" and "basin" as translations of ciotola, but my choice of the word "basin" was counted as wrong by the program. BTW, I think that the voice's diction not being too clear is actually a good thing - that's exactly what we have to contend with in real life when trying to understand what native Italians are saying, not so?
But the DL voice bears only a minimal resemblance to how Italians (or French or Spanish etc) actually speak.
Emphasis seems to be on the 1st of 3 syllables. CIOtola. I see in a dictionary that this is correct, and not a Duo error. Is there a pattern in Italian that could have helped me predict that about this word, or is that just something that needs memorized when learning the word? Based on the little, tiny bit of Italian I'm familiar with, I would have guessed this word was emphasized, cioTOla.
Grazie in anticipo!
Unfortunately there is no way to predict this. In Italian you could write "ciótola" to make it clear that the emphasis is on the third-last sillable and not on the second-last (ciotóla) but normally you will just find "ciotola". Accents are only used when emphasis is on the last syllable, in which case they are mandatory and sometimes required to distinguish homographs (e.g. farò vs faro* = "I will do" vs "lighthouse").
Thanks, Duolessio. I was wondering the same thing. I'm used to Spanish, where knowing just a couple of rules allows you to know which syllable gets the emphasis in every new word.
You mention writing "ciótolo" but I'm unclear: do people do that, is it considered correct, does Dúo accept it, or is it just not really done?
Not really done. There are some particular cases in which accents are used before the last syllable, but this is done only to distinguish homographs, and not mandatory. The first coming to my mind are:
principi (=princes) vs princìpi (principles)
viola (=violet) vs vìola (=violates)
The non-accented form may be used for both. I don't think you can find prìncipi and viòla outside of grammar books and dictionaries, whereas the accented forms I indicated can be used in other contexts to make a clear distinction. Note that there is no consistency on the accented syllable, so maybe the accent is used for less common words...?
"Tch" as in "Czech" or "Tchaikovsky". It's valid for ALL cases when you see "ci" or "ce". And unlike other languages, you can really count on it as a rule - no exceptions. :)
Same goes for "gi" and "ge" which are ALWAYS pronounced as "G", as in "Gina", respectively "George".
If you want to have the "c" as in "cut" or "g" as in "gut" sounds, you need to add an "h": che, chi, ghe, or ghi. Which by the way is the only function the "h" has in Italian when following a C or a G.
Side note: if you ever fancy learning Romanian too, the above pronunciation rules are identical and specific to these two language only (some similar rules in other Romance languages, but not really the same). :)
I would just add an exception to your 'valid for ALL cases' rule: It's true except when you see 'sci' or 'sce', which changes the pronunciation to the "Sh" sound as in "lasciare".
True, as long as you don't meet anyone from Tuscany :D (then the sound becomes more like 'sh')...
Yes and no. "La" is the form of "the" for singular feminine nouns, and most singular feminine nouns end with -a. But there are exceptions, so while it's a decent rule of thumb, it's not a 100% guarantee.
That's what i heard too, and i knew it to be wrong, but i replayed it a bunch and it was definitely "le". Typed le. Got it wrong.
The sound for the word ciotola sounds so much like the Italian word for chocolate.....is it just the audio or does it sound as similar in real life?
cioccolato is cioc-co-la-to, ciotola is cio-to-la. they have similar sillables but they are different. they sound different for Italians!
What is the difference between il and la? Why it is il cibo and not la cibo? And la ciotola and not il ciotola?
il is one of the masculine definite articles.
la is the feminine. "cibo" is masculine, so it takes "il". "ciotola" is feminine, so it takes "la".
Try listening music and understanding the Italian grammar.
Training your ear will benefit you veey much. This is a common problem of students with no experience in romance languages. Also I advice to listen the other languages of this group. Romanian and Spanidh have the most similar pronunciaton to Italian.
I had always grown up saying "scodella", so I had to use the hint for this one.
He "La ciotola" means "The bowl" right? What seems to be the problem here? I translated it good and still it was wrong
does the "ci" sound always make a "ch" sound? Ive been pronouncing this one wrong at least
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what does ciotola even sound like? i can't hear the voice and i dont know if its saying it right
cho-toe-lah is a pretty close way to pronounce it, with a very brief "ih" sound in the first syllable. Just pay close attention to the way the example is said. The "oh" sound is very stressed so the other vowels are harder to hear, but she definitely pronounces the word correctly.
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I agree but I didnt know the word and I still got it. I'm 12 and yet I know how to write it when I hear it and im not italian.
When I say it, it says I am wrong. That is not true. I say it correctly.