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A Small Troll Problem

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We seem to be experiencing a small troll problem in the fora. I'm not sure what attracted them, but they are downvoting any and all discussions and sometimes all of the comments in a discussion. This is stifling new discussion and is becoming annoying. Can someone please do something? Yes, this was said previously by Gringacho, but nothing has happened yet and a new topic can't hurt.

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/kristinemc

We are taking a look. Thank you!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Puddleglum
Puddleglum
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Oh, thank you!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
Usagiboy7
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especially with all of the down voting that's pushing the old thread down! (feels like a tug-o-war)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Puddleglum
Puddleglum
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It is. A tug of war between the forces of knowledge and ignorance.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnnieN82

And both can not go together.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eirajea

@Puddl3glum lol, I like how you stated that. XD

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zach1337

I'm not too worried about this particular small spike. The threads/posts talking about downvoting didn't help the spike as threads/posts like that just make some people downvote more.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnnieN82

But it adds to my list of 'stuff to help stop' list after coming home from surgery yesterday. And i am having no luck at all -sigh-

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eirajea

Surgery??? O.O

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnnieN82

Yess, surgery.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eirajea

For what!?! Shivers

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eirajea

A muscle... in your face... Gosh the only surgery I have ever had was stitches at two and I had to get an eraser removed from my ear at five. (I still to this day do not know how the eraser got in my ear.) Lol my little brother had to get a popcorn kernel removed from his ear.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnnieN82

putting a muscle in my face ( the worst time at the hospital was waking up after the surgery, i felt terrible) but now im much better :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Puddleglum
Puddleglum
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This small spike is due to the immaturity of a few, so it will pass as their weak minds find another plaything. As to your longterm solution, one might be found eventually, maybe these incidents could even be used in your crusade, though you would be wise to choose your words carefully.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zach1337

These small spikes have happened before, so I doubt they will help the cause at all.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ALoUSyUseRnaME
ALoUSyUseRnaME
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Yes, I know, it's very annoying. Let's start up voting!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Awesum_Domo

I up voted every comment!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zach1337

When you actually think about it though, that's almost as bad as people downvoting every comment. Maybe it is as bad as it.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ALoUSyUseRnaME
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Yes, maybe, but up voting does actually make someone feel good (even if it's for no reason. Especially since there is a troll).

Would you rather be up voted for no reason or would you be down voted for no reason? In my opinion, positive is better than negative.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jack.Elliot
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yes... vote according to your reaction to other thoughts in words

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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This thread is great because it raises the issue. i don't want a troll war. So, beyond saying what I do here, I think I am done doing anything unless admin or mods make a request to us. I don't know why they would need to though. If we stop giving the trolls attention they will stop. And if they don't and it gets out of control the site managers will check the activity feeds of those down voting and remove their accounts, block their IP addresses etc. (I'm guessing, but seems likely. a multi-milion venture isn't going to go to fits without stepping in). :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zach1337

Ya, I am done discussing the issue for now. I need to learn German, lol.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Puddleglum
Puddleglum
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The same. I'm on qualifiers now.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zach1337

What do you mean by qualifiers? Is that something college related?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Puddleglum
Puddleglum
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Oh, no, in the Duolingo course. It's a bit farther ahead than you. And I'm not even in college. I'm a senior in high school.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Puddleglum
Puddleglum
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I try not to seem like a high schooler, especially on the internet. It automatically makes some think less of my opinions and put me into a set stereotype of some sort of "typical high schooler," plus, anonymity is never a bad thing.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zach1337

Ah, I see.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eirajea

"makes some think less of my opinions" I agree with what you say here, I experience this almost daily. I do state that I am in high school, but I don't care whether or not people look down on me. Its their stupidity for doing so. I do not pair intelligence with age, nor do I believe that just because your older you automatically know more than me(or, just because I am older I automatically know more than you). However, I do believe that there are some things that we do not know at a young age that we must learn through mistakes and the process of growing into a adult; but that does not mean someone that is older automatically knows every thing, nor does it mean that even if they think this they cannot teach me anything useful. There are many, many stupid, ignorant people who do not want to listen to what others have to say because 'I'm older than you and have been around longer, therefore I'm right and your wrong' Or 'I don't like what you have to say so I'm right and your wrong'. I once read about a four year old who had a higher IQ than Einstein. Einstein! Who was thought to be one of the smartest people to ever live!!! So, those of you reading this, like the saying goes, don't judge a book by its cover. (By the way, I didn't think you were still in high school. You sound much older, but then again, many do when on the internet. Don't they?)

Edit: I hope every one reading this understands what I am saying, I am a bit sluggish in my writing today.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zach1337

@madalinehatter

This isn't the main part of your post, but I want to address it anyways. That 4 year old really isn't smarter than Einstein simply because of her IQ. IQ isn't the best determiner of intelligence. She doesn't understand much of the world around her at such an age. She would not be able to do the level of work that Einstein did.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eirajea

@Zach1337

It was a few years ago, so I am not sure how old the child is now. However I found these. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6286512/Two-year-old-with-same-IQ-as-Einstein.htm - http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/11-year-old-uk-girl-has-higher-iq-than-einstein_866933.html - http://www.naturalnews.com/040552_autism_children_genius_iq.html#

I would also like to note that I am not directing that comment towards any one, and I noticed that it is a bit harsher than my normal comments. I am just not in the best of moods today, and I happened across one of the most infuriating topics. I hope that no one was offended by it and if they were, I apologize.

Edit: She may not understand it at that age, but because of her high IQ it is possible that she would 'learn it' very quickly. Thus allowing her to work at a higher level than many at such a young age, maybe not as high as Einstein, but it could be achieved when older. Also, what made you think the child was a she? I did not state a gender.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zach1337

I said "She" because I have heard of only 2 4 year olds recently with extremely high IQs who made the news and both were females.

http://www.examiner.com/article/4-year-old-einstein-has-159-iq http://news.yahoo.com/4-year-old-with-iq-of-145-becomes-mensa-s-newest-member-141316099.html

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zach1337

@annie.nguyen Anything isn't possible in this dimension. Sure, as madalinehatter said, the kid may grow up to actually be smarter than Einstein.

However, the kid is not smarter than Einstein right now. That is all I was saying. When an IQ test is taken, a person is not compared against everyone else. They are compared against others in their age group. I can guarantee you that this little kid doesn't know how to take part in theoretical physics at the age of 4. The kid is simply much smarter than other kids at it's age.

I really wasn't trying to turn this into a debate. I figured it was an obvious point and I was just throwing it out there.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eirajea

@Zach1337 I thought it was very interesting that you said 'in this dimension', do you believe that there are other dimensions?

Edit: Also, about how 'every thing is not possible', I do believe that there is the possibility of impossibilities(I know that sounds weird), however we do not currently know the extent to which things are possible or impossible. The Wright brothers were told they were crazy, that it was 'impossible' for humans to fly. It was once said that it was 'impossible' for people to go to the moon and for meteors to fall from space. But, all were proven 'possible'.

Edit2: I really like these lyrics from a song. I am really weird and write down random lyrics that I like lol(I have a whole page of scribbled down lyrics from around twenty different songs). 'impossible is just a word for someone who is too afraid to try', I am not sure if these are the exact words, as I have not heard the song in a while, the lyrics just 'stuck' with me.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dandii_Lyons

I just joined this site 15 minutes ago. This particular 'blog' is my first reading of people's various comments, ideas, and general discussions. I'm not as intelligent as Einstein, but I have an idea. Because light causes an object to cast its shadow, if we have 2 lights with one brighter than the other, and the brighter light passes through the dimmer light, shouldn't the brighter light make the "dimmer light" cast a shadow? I think this is one answer to discovering "where" other dimensions exit. Does the dimmer light's shadow exist in another dimension? Thanks for your time, and continued success to you. Dandii.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnnieN82

this is going to turn into a argument you know? @Zach1337: Anything can be possible

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eirajea

Well, as I said in my first comment 'once read' and in my second comment 'a few years ago'. So that is resolved. And I don't really see it as an argument AnnieN82. I also stated that I am not in the best of moods and that my writing is a bit sloppy today. The "smarter than Einstein" thing was just something I remembered while typing that I thought to add. Basically as just 'proof' to my mentioning of not pairing intelligence with age.

Edit: AnnieN82, I have always believed that any thing is possible, yet another thing we agree on. Also my statement of 'that's their stupidity' and 'many stupid, ignorant people' again I realize that it was a bit harsh and apologize to anyone who took offense or did not like it.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnnieN82

It is not a war unless the trolls start a protest. Which would be very annoying.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jolynnedougherty
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I am not all that hip to net etiquette and you down voted one of my comments the other day. What does it mean when you down vote something? I took a bit of offense at it as it seems mean spirited to down vote things. If you don't like something, why not just ignore it. If you don't have something nice to say.... Like I said, I am not hip to net etiquette, so I am really just asking as I am curious what it mean and if you meant to be unkind, even though you ended your note with a smiley face. Thanks.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnnieN82

people can sometimes just not "ignore" things as it may hurt their feelings or affect their life.Down voting and up voting is kind of like dis-agreeing and agreeing. If someone ends their note with a smiley face with a mean comment then that just simply means that they are proud and happy to have said that.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dr.Manhattan95

Thanks for helping me get the word out, Puddl3glum!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/darioitoni

i downvote olny if its reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaly bad. (: and i upvote every good comment. (:

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ryan5

It is the internet, build it and they will come

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnnieN82

your telling us how to bring them, not put them back.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ryan5

The easiest way is to remove the comment feature. That might be a little harsh, but they could adopt a less troll friendly system than the one currently in use. It has already been suggested to remove down voting. A regular forum with strict moderation, would be best.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnnieN82

I don't agree with you on the "remove the comment feature" thing but it would be way easier if we could just remove the voting system. it is getting way out-of-hand and it is not being monitored properly.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ryan5

well, it seems the biggest complaint is downvoters, which aren't necessarily trolls. A big issue is that downvoting affects the position of the comment, giving people incentive to downvote other comments so their comment has a chance to be seen. Of course it is also, downvoting acts as censorship by democracy. So when people are legitimating voting down comments they don't like they are suppressing minority opinion. The whole system is designed to encourage group think. At the same time it discourages discussion, because the comments are organized linearly. It is much easier to suppress a comment you don't like than to actually respond to it. Add to the fact that the two ways of browsing are popular and new, with popular as the default browser, only those who gain rapid popularity have a chance of success.

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