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"La venko de malbono estas la temo de multaj filmoj."

Translation:The conquest of evil is the theme of many movies.

July 30, 2015



"Venko" translates as conquest and victory, so is this sentence supposed to be saying that many movies are based on evil being victorious? Or is this Esperanto construction - "venko de ......... " supposed to translate as what we would say in English as "victory over ........?"


"Venko de malbono" like "conquest of evil" can mean both.


Huh... I guess it depends on context then. Thanks for the feedback.


I have only understood so far that "venko" means victory in Esperanto, but "venki" means vanquish/defeat, so "venko de malbono" suggests literally "the victory of evil".


Venko. Ne vanko.

Vanko havas nenian signifon.


Bone, mi redaktis


La postuloj dankos.


To me "la venko de malbono" and "la konkero de malbono" means evil is victorious. "La malvenko de malbono" on the other hand...


It's one of those nuanced things which one can only fully understand in context. Part of why I prefer to use kontraǔ after venki, instead of de.

"La venko kontraŭ mal/bono estas la temo de …"

Do ankaŭ estas "la BATALO kontraŭ…"


I would agreed; venko kontraux malbono - there is no doubt that evil is conquered. …..venko de malbono - the victory of evil - that is, evil wins.


Well, it didn't like me saying "the defeat of evil…"


The clearer alternatives are "venko super malbono" / "venko fare de malbono."

PMEG waffles on this point, saying only that "de" may indicate either agent or patient.

PAG (S135-136) goes into more detail, (it really is la pli plena of the two). The conclusion is pretty complex with five branches:

1 - If the base verb is typically used with human subject and nonhuman object, de gives you the normal relationship in either case. skribo de la reguloj / skribo de Adamo

2 - If the base verb shows a relationship between people (alternsubjekta), then de indicates the patient (person affected). amuzo de gasto / amuzo per muziko / amuzo fare de kantisto

3 - If the base verb shows an attitude (sinteno) de is the subject (person having that attitude). If the attitude is toward an object, de may also be used there. amo de Adamo al/de ananasoj

4 - If the base verb shows mental activity (spiritfunkcia), the best practice is the same as 3, but use pri instead of al - havas revon pri Duo

5 - If the object may be a person or thing, de should most likely point to the object.

Venko belongs to the 5th category, so much like in English, this "conquest of evil" most naturally means that evil is being conquered. But "conquest of evil over kindness" would very clearly mean the opposite.

Words of the 3rd and 4th kind are different from English. "Love of/for children" -> "amo al infanoj," "thoughts of travel" -> "penso pri vojaĵo." The other rules pretty much match how things are done in English.


Mi vidas en viaj okuloj la saman timon kiu portus mian koron for de mi.

La tago eble venus kiam la kuragxo de homoj malsukcesas.

Kiam ni forlasas niajn amikojn kaj rompas la ligojn de amikeco ...

Sed estas ne hodiaŭ!


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