https://www.duolingo.com/IanEvison

Experience with Double Gold?

I recently finished my Danish tree and then, after that, getting the whole thing to be gold. This I am told is a Double Gold. I would be interested in hearing the experiences of others who have completed this, or are working in it. As I did my tree I did a lot of practice, doing three or four practices for each new unit, yet the lessons I had completed degraded massively. So, when I completed the tree, getting the whole thing to be gold was another and separate project on the order of completing the tree for the first time. As I worked on re-golding my tree, I was struck by how much new material was introduced in the reviews. Indeed, I came to believe that the tree is structured to give reinforcement for having "learned" things or completing things at a very low level of mastery. While this is motivating to the learner, it felt to me that this bought what one might call "cheap thrills" at the price of pushing forward to "reviews" much of the core work of learning. Positively stated, I felt that I learned as much from the process of re-golding as I did from "completing" the tree in the first place. Indeed, for me it was helpful to think of re-golding as an entirely different learning experience from initially completing the tree. Now, having done what I see as level one, completing the tree, and then level two, re-golding the tree, I am now moving on to what I see as level three: getting a high enough level of mastery that the tree STAYS gold even when I skip a day or two. I say this because here is a thing I observe: to keep me motivated Duolingo easily gives me credit for learning something and for successfully reviewing it, BUT when I make a lot of mistakes the program tells me quickly, very quickly, that I need to review again. All this is particularly important for me doing the Danish tree since with Danish Duolingo offers little beyond the basic tree. There is no reverse to tree one can complete. There is no translation level (There is a great Slack group). So, for me, conceptualizing finishing the tree, re-golding the tree, and building facility as three separate learning projects in effect created in Duolingo three "levels" of Danish. I note, in addition, that I don't rely on Duolingo alone to learn Danish. I use Duolingo primarily to get the language into deep muscle memory. That is to say, I use Duolingo primarily to save my very patient tutor the boring work of correcting a thousand times the same mistakes like failing to remember to reverse the subject and the verb when that is required. I would be very interested to hear the experience of others of re-golding and then of keeping their trees gold. Thanks to all for being such a great learning community!

3 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/luckygutsy
luckygutsy
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First of all, congrats!

I haven't finished my Danish tree yet, but I'm carefully to keep all the lessons at full strength as I go, never moving on to new lessons unless all three of my trees are all at full strength for the completed lessons. I finished my French tree that way so I suppose that's a double gold.

Now, I have to go back and strengthen a few exercises a day to keep it that way. That's actually why I wanted to do French on Duolingo: I spoke it already, but not having the opportunity to practice in my daily life Duolingo forces me to keep refreshing!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IanEvison

I am impressed. You must either have done a lot of practicing or must have made very few errors.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/luckygutsy
luckygutsy
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Thanks! I just don't ever move forward unless everything is gold. Usually that only means strengthening three or four lessons per day if I really keep up with it, which only takes a few minutes.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Herrcollins
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I will second what lucky said - don't move on until everything is at full strength. Taking your time through the tree and reinforcing everything you've already learned is the best way to get everything in to your long term memory.

I have two fully golden trees - Spanish and Danish. This is the method that I've used and I feel like I've learned everything pretty well.

Keep working hard and have fun! :-)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BarryHorto
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I also used the approach of not moving forward unless everything was gold when I completed the danish course and found this approach worked best for me. Interestingly, after having let everything stagnate for a number of months, most of my skills are now down to 1 bar, and when re-strengthening them I have found that sometimes completing a lesson does not lead to an increase in the strength bars. So to re-strengthen the whole tree I am having to do more exercises than when I did it in the first place - which is quite bizarre.

I really enjoyed following this course - such a shame that there are no speaking exercises available or immersion as I think this would make the course much more complete. I heard some mention of speaking exercises when I first did this course, but that was some months ago - I don't suppose any of you guys have heard anything?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Hermasetas

The reason why the skills don't become full when you refresh is because of how the bars work. The strength of a skill is determined by the strength of all the words in the skill. So if you have a skill with 40 weak words and you only refresh 10 of them, then the skill is only 1/4 refreshed :) Hope that makes sense :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nickd717
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Congrats, but I've found that keeping things gold is way too difficult, especially with Danish where "Strengthen Skills" is particularly useless. I usually go for full gold, but with this language, screw it. I know it well enough even if the tree doesn't reflect it, and I'd rather finish the tree than keep reviewing stuff I already know well.

3 years ago
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