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A year of learning Irish

It’s been just over a year since I started learning Irish and I thought I’d share my story. (Sorry for being so egotistical but I think it may be interesting/helpful to others) Until last summer I was pretty normal for an Irish person of my generation. A less-than-enjoyable experience of Irish in the education system left me with quite a lot of random vocabulary but barely able to put a sentence together. Nevertheless I wanted to know how to speak it. I felt I should know how to. Aoife Crawford, the Irish Language Officer at Trinity College Dublin, put it very well:

"I think the education system was very successful in impressing on people the idea that they should be fluent in Irish but not successful in actually making them fluent so people come out with this guilt."

Officially I had studied Irish for over a decade when I finished secondary school but a year ago I couldn’t hold a conversation. So far, so familiar. Now, however, I have conversations in Irish every week and I keep finding myself saying sentences I have never said before. Three things in particular caused this change.

  1. I started reading Benny Lewis’s blog Fluent in Three Months.
  2. My friend, who grew up in the Ráth Cairn Gaeltacht, offered to meet with me once a week to chat in Irish.
  3. Duolingo’s Irish course launched.

Benny convinced me that I had been making excuses and gave practical advice and encouragement to get started immediately. Meeting with my friend (let’s call him D.) meant I had to practise and gave a sense of consequence to my study. Whether or not I’d prepared affected how smoothly or haltingly our conversations would go. I knew I’d be meeting him on Thursday so I had better have something to say. Duolingo gave me a way to practise that was easy, manageable, and sort of addictive. I had a level to feel smug about and a streak to maintain (twice I got to 120 day streaks but lost them both).

Those early conversations with D. were awkward and embarrassing and exciting. I remember how the first one started.

D.: 'An bhfuil tú réidh?' Mise: 'Níl. Tá eagla orm.' D.: 'Ná bíodh eagla ort.'

And it started. Some of the first phrases I learnt were:

Conas a déarfadh [X]? (How would you say [X]?)

Conas a litríonn tú [Y]? (How do you spell [Y]?)

Rinné mé dearmad ar [Z]. (I’ve forgotten [Z].)

Most of these early chats consisted of a lot of ‘Conas a déarfadh?’ on my part and quite a bit of explaining on his part but every time I could say a few new things. Some things took ages to stick but eventually they did. Ironically, I kept forgetting the verb cuimhnigh ‘to remember’, until one day we had this exchange:

Mise: Chuimhnigh mé focal tábhachtach! (I remembered an important word!)

D. Sea, chuimhnigh tú cuimhnigh. (Yeah, you remembered remember.)

A few months in, one of our mutual friends asked how we were getting on. D. said ‘Oh God, it was like talking to a slow child at the beginning but now we can actually have a real conversation.’ Made me feel pretty proud.

The real highlight from the year was at the Christmas market on St Stephen’s Green. I was there with my girlfriend and ended up sharing a table with a woman and her daughter, who looked to be about 8. The woman was trying to make small talk with her in Irish and she was begrudgingly answering in English. After a minute I started chatting with the woman in Irish and the little girl's eyes went HUGE. We only talked for a few minutes about basic things like the food and the decorations but it felt great to (1) dive into a conversation like that and (2) freak out a child. If you hear someone speaking Irish, say ‘Dia duit’. They are likely to appreciate it.

Some things I’ve learned:

Start speaking immediately You will make a ton of mistakes. That’s good. It means you’re trying new things. Aiming for perfection is a good way to stay silent.

You get good at the things you practise This might sound really obvious but it is true. If you want to learn how to speak a language you have to practise speaking it, out loud, with real people. If you want to read Beowulf in the original Old English (something I heartily recommend) then by all means just practise reading, but if you want to communicate then open your mouth and try not to worry about the consequences.

The more often you practise the sooner you’ll get better If you want to get good at a language fairly quickly, you have to practise every day. Yes, every day. It doesn’t have to be for long. Twenty minutes here or there. But twenty minutes a day is more effective than two hours once a week. If you can’t practise every day that’s ok, but things will take longer to sink into your long term memory.

Don’t compare yourself to other people It doesn’t matter if other people speak Irish better than you. Or have learned more in a shorter space of time. The only thing that matters is whether you have more Irish today than you did yesterday.

Talk to a native speaker if at all possible Even when I speak in Irish, often I’m still thinking in English about what I want to say. You see this in learners all the time. It’s why our word-order is often so screwy. This is normal for a learning but it’s something we should try to get past or we’ll sound stupid to native speakers and our speech won’t flow naturally. Repeatedly I’ve asked D. how he’d translate a sentence into Irish and he has said ‘You just wouldn’t say that in Irish’. Irish has a different subconscious, as it were. For example, it’s more noun-centred than English, as you’ll notice when you get to verbal nouns.

Make your own immersion I know a lot of you are Americans and don’t have easy access to Gaeilgeoirí. But there are things you can do. I’ve switched Facebook and Gmail to Irish. I follow Tuairisc.ie, TG4, Conradh na Gaeilge, an Siopa Leabhar, Méimeanna na Gaeilge, Alex Hijmans, Féilire Gaeilge, NÓS, duchas.ie and some others. Every morning their tweets give me something short to translate and keep my feed from being English only.

Learn the vocabulary that’s relevant to you D. and I talk about books a lot (he’s a writer and I teach English literature). This meant I made an effort to learn a lot of vocabulary that I would be using but wouldn’t have found in most textbooks. e.g. focleolaíocht ‘philology’, sanasaíocht ‘etymology’, fantasaíocht 'fantasy', ficsean eolaíochta ‘science fiction’ etc. I use these words a lot but haven’t come across them in any coursebook. Before every comhrá I make a vocab list of the things I’d like to talk about and try to learn those words.

I need grammar; you might too I love Duolingo, but I need more emphasis on grammar than it offers. When the course first launched the verbal noun section had no grammar notes. I kept doing the lessons and crashing out after mistake upon mistake. Nobody had explained what the rules were! (Thankfully, this has been fixed since) Don’t get me wrong. It’s difficult to explain complicated grammar points in a clear and efficient way. And it seems that most people have, through their very limited exposure to grammar in UK, US or Irish schools, picked up the idea that grammar is hard, boring and not really important. It doesn’t need to be so.

But grammar works best in context. When I was learning Old Norse my lecturer kept telling us about sound changes before we had seen much of the language. Of course we couldn’t keep the sound changes straight. We hadn’t seen them in action. I find it’s best to start learning phrases and getting used to speaking. Then work on the grammar and you may find two things happen: (1) You go ‘Oh that’s why that happens! Cool.’ and (2) You start knowing how to put together sentences you’ve never said before. Grammar is great for going from beginner to intermediate, but you will need to learn it to get to that intermediate stage.

When I first bought Nollaig Mac Congáil’s Irish Grammar Book it sat on my shelf and looked scary, now that I’ve had more exposure to the language I find it to be extremely helpful.

But the really important one is:

There isn’t one perfect learning resource or method Everyone learns differently. I know one person who honestly does love learning off verb paradigms. You may not and that’s ok. Find what works for you.

For example: I started learning Irish with Mícheál Ó Siadhail’s Learning Irish and didn’t get very far. I’ve taught Old English - I’m not frightened by the International Phonetic Alphabet - but Ó Siadhail was a bit offputting even for me. Here’s a long table of vocab, several new grammatical points and now let’s drill, drill, drill. This method can work for more advanced, and committed learners, but I wouldn’t start there. Now that I have a better grasp of Irish I’m using Ó Siadhail again and it’s working much better for me.

You might be an aural learner - listen to the audio on Colloquial Irish, Teach Yourself Irish or Buntús Cainte. If you’re a visual learner make your own posters with the things you want to learn.

I still use Duolingo every day but I need to vary it with others methods or I’ll get bored. For example, I’ve started writing short Vicipéid entries (there are far too few pages, especially about nerdy things, on the Irish language Wikipedia) and getting them corrected by D. before posting them. I get to practise producing more complicated Irish sentences and feel pretty good about increasing the amount of Irish material online.

The important thing is that if you want to speak a language start learning it now. If you’re on Duolingo you’ve made that start.

Labhair Gaeilge agus lean ar aghaidh.

August 11, 2015

8 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Elenaki.a

Thank you that was a great read, with great tips. I follow Fluent in Three Months too, and after living in Greece for a while, I think his method is fantastic. I can't bring myself to immerse myself as entirely as he does for various reasons, but I don't shy away from conversations much either. Not one on one, anyway. Group conversations are an entirely different thing. which I'm still getting the hang of. Plus, I'm tackling books one at a time to improve vocab and grammar. Even in my half-immersed state, I learnt more Greek, faster, in the past three months than I did in the 22 years preceding it.

Also, I'd like to suggest another resource. The book called Gaeilge Gan Stró at the beginners level. It comes with cds and the way it teachers grammar is great. It comes in different levels, so I think there is an intermediate and an advanced version.

I also now a lot of people who go to Irish talking groups in whatever city they live in. Usually, if there is one a local Irish cultural organisation will know where it is. From what they tell me it's just a group of people who get together and talk.

August 12, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/XD29
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Thanks for sharing your story!

August 14, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/proinsias123

Great story and tips. Thanks for sharing :)

August 11, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/galaxyrocker

I have to say I find it interesting that your man from Rathcarn says conas. Part of me really wants to attribute that to school Irish, given that Rathcarn speaks a Connacht dialect, which should use cén chaoi a more. Also, using the word cuimhnigh as 'to remember'. I've seen it more as 'to think' in other parts that speak Connacht Irish, with is cuimhin liom... as 'remember'. Interesting.

Otherwise,

Maith fear. Coinnigh ar siúil é.

August 11, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Fingolfin1346

His Irish has been influenced by school Irish (something he readily acknowledges himself). In fact, there was a moment when I apologized for saying something that was Béarlachas and he stopped me and said 'It's ok, I speak Béarlachas.' He's somewhat sceptical about anyone below the age of about fifty speaking 'pure' Irish. While he admires the use of clean and precise Irish, he seems pretty pleased by anyone making an effort at all. Though I don't want to put words in his mouth so take this as my interpretation of his views.

August 12, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mwasson

I've also been using Twitter to get access to short bits of conversational written Irish. I think it's great for that--there are a lot of people enthusiastic about the language. To help out, I've been making a list of accounts I find that at least mostly tweet in Irish. Hopefully no one will mind that I've made it public:

https://twitter.com/mikewasson/lists/gaeilge

August 12, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Go1rish

I got started with Benny, too. The hardest part is finding other Irish speakers, so I just make videos of myself trying and hope that someone may comment and help me. I tried using Italki, but immediately get bombarded by people wanting to learn English - and that is OK. I speak with 2 people every week, but it doesn't help me with learning Irish. I'm glad to hear your success with the program. You are very fortunate to have a friend to help you learn. :) Good luck on your continued success!

July 28, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fluttershy937702

hi!

July 19, 2017
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